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    Well there's 30mph winds forecast tomorrow up the club; I'm game if you are!
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    Whilst the slug concept interests me, the price is a massive turn off. How is that price justified in comparison to the diabolo pellets? It can't be anything to do with mass production runs because if the slugs are as good as described, they'll need to undertake mass production runs to keep up with demand. Will cost fall accordingly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anothermiss View Post
    Whilst the slug concept interests me, the price is a massive turn off. How is that price justified in comparison to the diabolo pellets? It can't be anything to do with mass production runs because if the slugs are as good as described, they'll need to undertake mass production runs to keep up with demand. Will cost fall accordingly?
    if and when they are manufactured in similar quantities to JSBs, yes, then we can do that analysis. But right now the volume would be what, 0.01% of JSB volumes ? If succesful, maybe 1% ? if they are so sucessfull they get to 10% of the volume, that would be frankly amazing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shed tuner View Post
    if and when they are manufactured in similar quantities to JSBs, yes, then we can do that analysis. But right now the volume would be what, 0.01% of JSB volumes ? If succesful, maybe 1% ? if they are so sucessfull they get to 10% of the volume, that would be frankly amazing....
    Why only 1%? If they are as good as described above (and I genuinely hope they are, as someone who hunts and only shoots targets in preparation for hunting) these will take off like a rocket. People from the HFT circuits are already pricking their ears for the benefits. Word will spread like wildfire. Likewise with hunters... Air gunners are quite a well connected breed and word gets around. So the serious hunter/hft/pest controller will hear of the successes quite quickly.
    As for the casual garden plinker? I'd suggest the vast majority probably aren't the ones buying jsb pellets and are the type (on the whole) that keep spitfires and bsa type pellets in production, solely on price.
    However that still leaves one of my original questions unanswered... Will price fall as demand rises?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anothermiss View Post
    Will price fall as demand rises?
    Thats a question you need to ask the maker.

    But...
    These are hand made and selected / graded.
    Cheaper end user costs are only achieved by mass production / automation.

    These are really niche products aimed at a pretty specialised market.

    There are brands of other slugs out there, produced in similar ways (though heavier and not as suited to sub12), that are sold at similar prices.
    They won't be for everyone, and the price will put some shooters off.

    I always use the best pellets for my rifles, even for ratting. For the uses I'll put these slugs to (daytime rabbits and greys), my consumption over a season, will be relatively low, so not really a probem for me.

    Bootneck Bob, mentioned the cost of comp shooting with these, with possibly 80 (maybe 100 with zero checking) shots taken on a comp day. So at the current costs, thats about £25 quid for using these slugs.
    Just to put that in perspective, in the 80's, I used to shoot clays (reasonably competetively). My costs for a shoot day back then were about £60. Thats nearly 30 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootneckbob View Post
    Well there's 30mph winds forecast tomorrow up the club; I'm game if you are!
    I'm 75% of the way through a gun cabinet build, so wouldn't be able to get over today Rob (not that I fancy shooting in 30mph winds ), though if it eases off later, I' may pop out to the rabbit perm.

    My next order of these, should be with me early next week. I will get in touch and drop over with some to let you have a look at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robs5230 View Post
    I'm 75% of the way through a gun cabinet build, so wouldn't be able to get over today Rob (not that I fancy shooting in 30mph winds ), though if it eases off later, I' may pop out to the rabbit perm.

    My next order of these, should be with me early next week. I will get in touch and drop over with some to let you have a look at.
    Genuinely be interested Rob if only to compare to JSB. If I clear the Shebbear course (never been done) I'll consider them! ;-) Seriously though, will be interesting to see how good they are.

    Oh, reference your comments about the price of shotgun shooting compared to FT; how very dare you, Everyone knows Shotguns = money (even when sawn off). Us airgunners are the very poor distant cousins twice removed from the rest of the shooting Elite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootneckbob View Post
    Genuinely be interested Rob if only to compare to JSB. If I clear the Shebbear course (never been done) I'll consider them! ;-) Seriously though, will be interesting to see how good they are.

    Oh, reference your comments about the price of shotgun shooting compared to FT; how very dare you, Everyone knows Shotguns = money (even when sawn off). Us airgunners are the very poor distant cousins twice removed from the rest of the shooting Elite!
    I was young and daft back then.
    £800 for a Winchester over and under and never blinked.

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    A shotgun cartridge is made upon of multiple components and chemicals, constructed to form a single object.
    Comparing that to a pellet is like comparing a pin to a bullet.
    One is a single piece of metal, formed in a certain way, the other is anything but.
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    I've heard that the folks making the mako rounds aren't really set up to cope with high demand. So very little will change, I'd suggest. Well not until the big manufacturers get their competitive product on the shelves.

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