Ge600/MEC/Unique/Esprit Carabine. Free floating barrel???

[RobinC]

just to return to the original poster:-

You are using a 20+ year old design rifle action and trigger, technology has moved on in those years a lot, and I know the MEC project EC is 2600 Euro cost alone, there will also be extras, such as butt plate, possibly sights, unless you use the old ones.

And, you will still have a 20 year old rifle in a new stock, and a stock that you will need to develop, and you will probably need custom clamps for your barrel.

This is not a ten shot sort out job, it will need many hundreds of rounds of testing, and the associated range time to get the best from it, there are clamp locations to test, and torque settings to ascertain, and even on its best, then it may not (probably won't) be any better, tighter groups, than it is now!
Technology has developed, lock time are faster, triggers are better, sights are better, butt plates are different, you would be better selling your complete rifle, and buying a new modern one, have a modern short action, faster lock time, a modern trigger, modern sights, and a modern stock and butt plate, why do you think the top world level shots use the latest technology, and if you sold the old one, for not a lot more than the cost of doing the same with your old action! The MEC project stock is top tech, why put a 20 year old design in it?

The KK500 is the modern pick of the bunch, it is more ergonomic, better equipped, good butt plates, sights, etc, its proven, and cost effective, and it gets the results!
My wife has a KK500, because she also shoots 300 mt (with a Keppeler) she wanted her KK500 in a Keppeler stock, so she had her two rifles the same feel and balance, this was a project done with the help and cooperation of both Walther, and Keppeler, it shoots superbly, but I can tell you there was a lot of work, testing, and time, to achieve the end result.

My advice, just sell the Centre 10, and buy a new modern well equipped rifle.

Have Fun
Robin

[tim s]

Robin,

I believe Bing, the OP, has acquired a nearly new/old stock barrel, sans stock. The Centre-10 has an Anschutz 5018 trigger; yes, some of the recent designs are better, but it's a sophisticated match trigger, not some single-lever 10lb military job.

The modern rigid actions have an advantage over older designs, but have not rendered them totally obsolete. Would it be easier to buy a complete new rifle? Yes, of course it would, but sometimes it's fun to assemble your own. If you have a good barrel, buying a new stock is far cheaper than a complete new rifle.

To be fair you would have to set up any new rifle, regardless of make, especially if you change to a non-standard bedding.

[Bing!]

just to return to the original poster:-

You are using a 20+ year old design rifle action and trigger, technology has moved on in those years a lot, and I know the MEC project EC is 2600 Euro cost alone, there will also be extras, such as butt plate, possibly sights, unless you use the old ones.

And, you will still have a 20 year old rifle in a new stock, and a stock that you will need to develop, and you will probably need custom clamps for your barrel.

This is not a ten shot sort out job, it will need many hundreds of rounds of testing, and the associated range time to get the best from it, there are clamp locations to test, and torque settings to ascertain, and even on its best, then it may not (probably won't) be any better, tighter groups, than it is now!
Technology has developed, lock time are faster, triggers are better, sights are better, butt plates are different, you would be better selling your complete rifle, and buying a new modern one, have a modern short action, faster lock time, a modern trigger, modern sights, and a modern stock and butt plate, why do you think the top world level shots use the latest technology, and if you sold the old one, for not a lot more than the cost of doing the same with your old action! The MEC project stock is top tech, why put a 20 year old design in it?

The KK500 is the modern pick of the bunch, it is more ergonomic, better equipped, good butt plates, sights, etc, its proven, and cost effective, and it gets the results!
My wife has a KK500, because she also shoots 300 mt (with a Keppeler) she wanted her KK500 in a Keppeler stock, so she had her two rifles the same feel and balance, this was a project done with the help and cooperation of both Walther, and Keppeler, it shoots superbly, but I can tell you there was a lot of work, testing, and time, to achieve the end result.

My advice, just sell the Centre 10, and buy a new modern well equipped rifle.

Have Fun
Robin

All pretty much true, but how much has the tech improved the accuracy of the barrel/action. Ultimately it comes down to the operator, if that operates everything properly it should go in the middle. A nice comfy well sorted stock would help with this, once it's set up correctly, yes, lots of tuning to be had with either the barrel clamps in the EC case but it would also need plenty of work on the butt hook, cheekpiece, handstop, trigger, sights, rear and fore etc etc regardless of what stock.

Modern kit is nice but the price in one hit is out of my reach, so as with my previous rifles it has to be done Frankenstein style.

Not fussed about lock times on the range, I'd be using a spare Gemini butt hook, I have some nice gehmann wind sights going spare which I like and the foresight would be either the new race or a centra score plus, 22mm inserts, Handstops aplenty and access to a good variety of ammo. I liked the look of the centre 10 as it's a chunky thing with a chunky bolt, the shillen barrel appears in superb Nick and with a claimed low shot count (never raced or rallied etc ). But the uit stock is not my cup of tea, maybe for my son when he's a bit older, but not me. I could have a stock machined to fit the c10 (Dolphin was first option) but then it will only fit the c10, barrel clamps would allow another action at some point hence the EC.
If the c10 comes to nothing in my hands then I'll pass it on and probably revert back to my current rifle, made of: 1913 action, Lilja barrel, Walther sights, centra handstop, Gemini hook, home made cheekpiece and the old cast anschutz stock (which I've returned to on many occasions having tried others lol )

Thanks for the input Robin, every view point is appreciated but I have a centre 10 and I'm gonna hang on to it for a while, I would like to be comfortable shooting it too though.

Bing!

[Hemmers]

All pretty much true, but how much has the tech improved the accuracy of the barrel/action.

A lot, actually! If you pick up a random 1913 Anschutz from the last 10 years and take it to Eley, you'll probably get some very good groups. Also some wide open groups. The last time I tested my Supermatch (bought new in 2007) it ranged from 15.5mm to 22mm, which Martyn reckoned to be perfectly normal - obviously 22mm is not even holding the 10 ring.

A modern KK500 or Racer3 will not only group to <14mm, but the worst groups are unlikely to be >17mm. They're not only more accurate, but more consistently accurate over a range of ammunition.

Of course you can find good examples of older rifles - the Olympic Prone champion (Henri Junghaenel) used a Walther KK300 in Rio - but it was the sixth KK300 he'd tried. That's the choice you make - spend a lot of time and money working through barrels to find a sweet one, or just stump up for a KK500 or Racer3 knowing it'll shoot well out the box (and if it doesn't you send it back and ask them to send you one that works).

Of course, if you're only shooting integer targets then the advantage is less apparent - if you've got a batch of ammo that groups well, it'll slug in 10s all day long - and a 10 is a 10, whether it's a 10.0 or a 10.8. For integer purposes, there are lots of rifles that are "good enough".

Stick it on decimal-scoring electronics however and the difference becomes very apparent - the top barrels will shoot 640+ decimal, older barrels will struggle to crack 630.

The new breed of short-bolt actions are objectively more accurate and less picky about ammo. But depending on what you're doing with them (integer/decimal) and your own expectations based on your standard of shooting, you may not notice the difference.

[RobinC]

[QUOTE=Bing!;7602051
If the c10 comes to nothing in my hands then I'll pass it on and probably revert back to my current rifle, made of: 1913 action, Lilja barrel, Walther sights, centra handstop, Gemini hook, home made cheekpiece and the old cast anschutz stock (which I've returned to on many occasions having tried others lol )

Thanks for the input Robin, every view point is appreciated but I have a centre 10 and I'm gonna hang on to it for a while, I would like to be comfortable shooting it too though.

Bing![/QUOTE]

In that case the very best of luck and I hope you get a lot of pleasure out of it, incidentally the Dolphin option would be a good one as well, he is my gun builder of choice, I have a full bore in one that they custom built for me, and they have now rebarreled several rifles for us, as well as machined and fitted alloy bedding in wood stocks, all full bores, their new stock is a great design, beautifully made, I can honestly recommend Dolphin.
I hope it works, have fun.

Robin