Is the Titan Mohawk collectible or a mistake?

[T 20]

I am always intrigued by the odd gun that doesn't have a long run? Maybe there's a good reason it's gone?

Essentially there seems to be four different versions of the Mohawk.

When the Mohawk was first anounced in 1991 there were just two versions - the single stroke 12ftlbs gun and the multi pump FAC gun.

Later on the two stroke 12ftlb gun was introduced, this was based on the FAC gun but had a built in pressure relief valve which regulated valve pressure on the second pump stroke to keep power below 12ftlbs.
I'm not sure whether the single stroke 12ftlb gun was still produced after the introduction of the two stroke 12ftlb gun ?

The fourth version of the Mohawk is the Daystate Sportsman MK2 --- the John Bowkett designed pumps for the Mohawk were produced for Titan in India.
When Titan stopped production of the Mohawk, Daystate bought the remaining pumps and fitted their own barrels, breeches, triggers and stocks and these guns were sold as the Daystate Sportsman MK2.

At present I have a two stroke Mohawk and a Sportsman MK2 and I'm waiting on delivery of another Mohawk action I've purchased.



All the best Mick

[Paul SE]

I bought a Titan Mohawk in .177 when the model was first released. I remember paying about £200 for it, complete with a small silencer.

I attached a 4x32 scope on it, and found it quite a nice gun to use, once the cocking and loading sequence was mastered - accurate enough with RWS Superdomes or H&N FTT.

IIRC muzzle energy was about 10.5 ft/lbs.

The only issue(s) I remember is that it quite often leaked air, and this seemed to be due to grit and dirt getting into the gun during the pumping process. I recall that one had to release the cocking arm from the locking pin and unscrew the cocking arm pivot bolt.
Then remove the arm complete with a felt washer(?) that needed to be cleaned. There may have been a rubber seal in there as well....it was quite a few years ago.
Once any grit and grime had been removed, the gun could be reassembled and worked OK for an indefinite time.....

I'd probably have another one, but in .22 this time.

I PX'ed mine for a .177 Original 35 that had a bit more poke but looked a bit bland by comparison

[piggy589]

Could you compare it to the air logic genesis?.

A pal of mine was given one,quite a brute to cock and raise on aim.

[norris]

Could you compare it to the air logic genesis?.

A pal of mine was given one,quite a brute to cock and raise on aim.

I think that was a much higher quality rifle and possibly rarer.
I found one for sale a few years ago online and it was £1000.
It was a lot dearer than the Mohawk back in the day.
I would say the Mohawk is very collectible,nearly bought one myself.What I didn't like about it was in a very plain beech woodwork and it being a .177,however it was mint.

[Geezer]

Essentially there seems to be four different versions of the Mohawk.

When the Mohawk was first anounced in 1991 there were just two versions - the single stroke 12ftlbs gun and the multi pump FAC gun.

Later on the two stroke 12ftlb gun was introduced, this was based on the FAC gun but had a built in pressure relief valve which regulated valve pressure on the second pump stroke to keep power below 12ftlbs.
I'm not sure whether the single stroke 12ftlb gun was still produced after the introduction of the two stroke 12ftlb gun ?

The fourth version of the Mohawk is the Daystate Sportsman MK2 --- the John Bowkett designed pumps for the Mohawk were produced for Titan in India.
When Titan stopped production of the Mohawk, Daystate bought the remaining pumps and fitted their own barrels, breeches, triggers and stocks and these guns were sold as the Daystate Sportsman MK2.

At present I have a two stroke Mohawk and a Sportsman MK2 and I'm waiting on delivery of another Mohawk action I've purchased.



All the best Mick

Very interesting. I did vaguely remember the multi-pump versions, but wasn't sure if I was confusing the Titan with the Daystate so didn't mention them. But I had no idea of the connection between the two.

I wonder if you could make a two-pump Dragon? Probably not? Isn't it a "proper" SSP, like a colossal FAS 604, that can only take one stroke? Whereas the single-stroke Titan is, in effect, a multi-pump that is physically impossible to pump more than once unless you are Godzilla?

[Shed tuner]

I wonder if you could make a two-pump Dragon? Probably not? Isn't it a "proper" SSP, like a colossal FAS 604, that can only take one stroke? Whereas the single-stroke Titan is, in effect, a multi-pump that is physically impossible to pump more than once unless you are Godzilla?

Dragon valve is a bit "special"... would take a fundamental redesign to make it multi, not just a question of adding a check valve seal to the inlet side.

Personally I love dragons; much easier to cock and smaller arc than a mohawk, and the weight is fine too

[Geezer]

Thought so, technical-wise.

I have one too, and have had for ages. But I fear I disagree with you. Unreliable, clunky, top heavy etc. Mine worked fine, then didn't hold a charge. Back to PH in the late 90s, who "fixed it" for free. Briefly worked fine, then seals gave out again. Handling reminds me of your non-favourite Sterling HR - top heavy with the addition of a whacking great lever dragging it down on one side.

I think Tom G in the Disunited States of America called it a "science experiment" rather than a practical air rifle. Think I agree with him. Either a bad idea, brilliantly executed, or a good idea, badly executed.

[Baxterbasics]

The fourth version of the Mohawk is the Daystate Sportsman MK2 --- the John Bowkett designed pumps for the Mohawk were produced for Titan in India.
When Titan stopped production of the Mohawk, Daystate bought the remaining pumps and fitted their own barrels, breeches, triggers and stocks and these guns were sold as the Daystate Sportsman MK2.

At present I have a two stroke Mohawk and a Sportsman MK2 and I'm waiting on delivery of another Mohawk action I've purchased.



All the best Mick[/QUOTE]

Mick-seriously mate, how rifles do you own??

Is the Sportsman Mk2 an improvement over the Mohawk? I have shot both and liked them equally....

[AC all day]

Interesting topic guys as i love SSPs....i have a Daystate mk2, and an Airlogic Genessis also had a Jb1 and a Mohawk, plus a Dragon and currently still have a very early Bowkett proto... was offered a Laser12 once oh how you kick yourself...

[T 20]

Mick-seriously mate, how many rifles do you own??

Well Graham,

If the wifes listening, I have two or three, but they were very cheap.

If she's out of earshot, I have 90 - 100 including my shotguns and my LARS rocket launcher.

Is the Sportsman Mk2 an improvement over the Mohawk? I have shot both and liked them equally....

Difficult question to answer.

I think the Mohawk pump and valve are the better made of the two, the Mohawk having an articulated pump head and Brass valve body compared to the Sportsman's fixed piston head and Aluminium valve body.

I prefer the Titan/Falcon trigger unit over the Daystates as the Falcon unit is easily removed after undoing just two screws, the Daystate unit has to be completely stripped in order to get to the two screws to remove it.
With the Titan trigger blade being adjustable I can set it just right for me --- I'd need fingers like ET to reach the Daystate's trigger comfortably.

But I do prefer the bolt cocking of the Sportsman and the Sportsman's breech is the beefier made of the two, but the Titan is easier to get a pellet into if using a low scope.

I prefer the Titan stock over the Sportsman's stock but a setback trigger on the Sportsman could swing that the other way.




All the best Mick

[airgunwerks]

Have enjoyed reading this thread - I still have a single stroke version of the Mohawkmin .22, sold my Parker Hale Dragon FT as it would not hit a barn even if you were inside with the door closed. As someone mentioned the Genesis, which I thought was harder to cock, but much better quality, we should also mention Mr Brown's Laisair I owned one of those in the 1980's the cocking arm swung around the front of the rifle so it started at a ninety degrees angle on the left hand side, was the easiest of them all to cock still around 10.6 ft lbs trigger was good, but again was not accurate, in hind sight I should have kept them all, but if I had I would need another room to store them!

[norris]

I wish I had bought that Genesis for a £1000 as I've seen one advertised for £1900 the other day.
The Dragon is a very well engineered lump and I'm happy to own one.
I wish the Paradigm would go into production.

[Jimny4x4]

Mohawks are well made , nice looking and difficult to charge . I found the Dragon more user friendly . Just as mentioned in a prev posting Dragons can leak , whereas I have never used or owned a troublesome Mohawk . Superb design . The 2 stroke is on I would like to try .

[paul.w]

Hi all iv just recently bought a Mohawk I no nothing about them. A friend of mine has a parker hale dragon.which I had ago of and I really like it so when I saw the Mohawk up for sale I brought it. I chronograph it last week and it was running at 9.5 fp I thought that they were in the 11-12 area.
.so I'm thinking something is wrong with it. Has anyone got a manual for the Mohawk. Don't seem to be able to find one on the net.

[Muskett]

I wish I had bought that Genesis for a £1000 as I've seen one advertised for £1900 the other day.
The Dragon is a very well engineered lump and I'm happy to own one.
I wish the Paradigm would go into production.

The Air Logic Genesis are an engineering marvel and just ooze quality. Plenty of threads on them. £1900 is for an example with branded scope and all the extras; think its a bit rich though.
For pure quality of construction and rarity then £950-£1100 is plenty for a mint in box. However, they are never going to sell quickly because they are so specialised, the price is irrelevant as it reflects the price of ownership of one of the 271 built. A connoisseurs piece.

I think the Titan Mohawk should fit in this collectors area too. Limited numbers and most interesting for its time. Unlikely to be ever repeated. Not just another springer.