Favourite threesomes

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WW2 Reparations Evolution Trio

[Abasmajor]

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Hi,

Thanks for sharing the picture. I have often wondered about the value of some patents when three so obviously common designs apart from size can be produced under separate patents.

Perhaps as you allude to, the two British models were part of the spoils of war following the transfer of designs, machinery and tooling etc immediately after the war. I know quite a few companies such as Milbro and Webley for instance benefited from the situation.

Regards
Brian

[Mobiasstrip]

Hi,

Thanks for sharing the picture. I have often wondered about the value of some patents when three so obviously common designs apart from size can be produced under separate patents.

Perhaps as you allude to, the two British models were part of the spoils of war following the transfer of designs, machinery and tooling etc immediately after the war. I know quite a few companies such as Milbro and Webley for instance benefited from the situation.

Regards
Brian[/QUOTE]

I always assumed that Tell had to give up the patent as part of war reparations but have never seen this documented. Diana likely did quite well from this too.

[Mobiasstrip]

Not threesome but these live together in my cabinet :-)

[Abasmajor]

Not threesome but these live together in my cabinet :-)

It's clear from your picture the recognised influence Frank Clarke's 7th series Titan had on the development of the Webley Mk1.

Brian

[ccdjg]

Another natural threesome in classic vintage air pistols can be found with the Lincoln Jeffries series of "Lincoln" pistols. Admittedly the short barrel and long cylinder versions are rarely encountered, but they were by no means one-offs.

[cinedux]

https://imgur.com/DpeYb5w

[Mobiasstrip]

Last from me today.

[ccdjg]

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Hi,

Thanks for sharing the picture. I have often wondered about the value of some patents when three so obviously common designs apart from size can be produced under separate patents.

Perhaps as you allude to, the two British models were part of the spoils of war following the transfer of designs, machinery and tooling etc immediately after the war. I know quite a few companies such as Milbro and Webley for instance benefited from the situation.

Regards
Brian[/QUOTE]
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While I would agree that the Thunderbolt Jr and Acvokes are direct pinches of the Tell 2 design, we should not forget that Venuswaffenwerk's Tell 2 in turn was a direct pinch from Anson's concentric Highest Possible design, admittedly very cleverly adapted to cheap mass production.

Anson was responsible not only for introducing the sliding piston-concentric barrel concept, but also he was the first to use the hinged grip/trigger guard as a cocking lever in an air pistol, as in his first model Highest Possible. There is also good evidence that he was the sole originator of the side lever cocking principle with the Warrior pistol, Frank Clarke playing only a business role. A clever and much underestimated guy in my opinion.

[45flint]

I now as of a couple days ago have a cool Crosman trio but the third gun is current in transit. I will be late to the party with this one.

[Abasmajor]

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Hi,

Thanks for sharing the picture. I have often wondered about the value of some patents when three so obviously common designs apart from size can be produced under separate patents.

Perhaps as you allude to, the two British models were part of the spoils of war following the transfer of designs, machinery and tooling etc immediately after the war. I know quite a few companies such as Milbro and Webley for instance benefited from the situation.

Regards
Brian

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While I would agree that the Thunderbolt Jr and Acvokes are direct pinches of the Tell 2 design, we should not forget that Venuswaffenwerk's Tell 2 in turn was a direct pinch from Anson's concentric Highest Possible design, admittedly very cleverly adapted to cheap mass produc

Anson was responsible not only for introducing the sliding piston-concentric barrel concept, but also he was the first to use the hinged grip/trigger guard as a cocking lever in an air pistol, as in his first model Highest Possible. There is also good evidence that he was the sole originator of the side lever cocking principle with the Warrior pistol, Frank Clarke playing only a business role. A clever and much underestimated guy in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Hello John,

I guess it's the common method of sealing the breech on these three particular pistols that makes them seem so closely connected, but as you rightly say, the functionality owes much to Anson. It would seem Anson preferred to design rather than produce anything in great numbers leaving the likes of Westley Richards to profit from his innovation.


Regards
Brian

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Hi,

Thanks for sharing the picture. I have often wondered about the value of some patents when three so obviously common designs apart from size can be produced under separate patents.

Perhaps as you allude to, the two British models were part of the spoils of war following the transfer of designs, machinery and tooling etc immediately after the war. I know quite a few companies such as Milbro and Webley for instance benefited from the situation.

Regards
Brian

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While I would agree that the Thunderbolt Jr and Acvokes are direct pinches of the Tell 2 design, we should not forget that Venuswaffenwerk's Tell 2 in turn was a direct pinch from Anson's concentric Highest Possible design, admittedly very cleverly adapted to cheap mass production.

Anson was responsible not only for introducing the sliding piston-concentric barrel concept, but also he was the first to use the hinged grip/trigger guard as a cocking lever in an air pistol, as in his first model Highest Possible. There is also good evidence that he was the sole originator of the side lever cocking principle with the Warrior pistol, Frank Clarke playing only a business role. A clever and much underestimated guy in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I had never made the connection. Fascinating. So the original idea was British, pinched by the Germans and then brought back as spoils of war by the Brits again. I don't have a concentric (if only) but the Highest Possible has the same cocking mechanism - so likely where design originated (unless someone else knows better :-)
https://i.imgur.com/ZYWs4fk.gifv

[ccdjg]

That's a very neat and innovative way of showing the connection between the two pistols, and will be very informative to anyone who has never handled a Highest Possible before. Wouldn't it be great if some of the other odd ball pistol and rifle cocking systems could be archived this way in Danny's Gallery?

Love the rare heart-shaped cut-out Highest Possible - I've yet to locate one of these.

[ptdunk]

WW2 Reparations Evolution Trio

Lovely.
Very nice to see how the Thunderbolt compares.

[cinedux]

Lovely.
Very nice to see how the Thunderbolt compares.

https://imgur.com/0qw8POv