the steyr debate continues

[Airsporter1st]

You assume a lot of a person based on one post don't you?

I would fully support any fellow shooters regardless of what they want to shoot.

Hence I am a member of Basc.

However, all I am saying is that the scar at the club isn't what I personally find enjoyable.

It is not accurate, jams all the time and is trying to be something it is not.

Walt gun IMO.

My Personal opinion is that single shot or magazine fed rifles are more enjoyable for me because they are more involving with more to do.

I fully appreciate that other people are different and each to there own.

That is not an attitude. That is an opinion on semi autos.

Oh hang on....of course I get it. You want me to have a socialist opinion don't you?

You expressed an adverse opinion on the people that want/own semi autos - not on the semi autos themselves. No good back-pedalling now.

[gingernut]

Indeed.

We need to see what further action is taken in this case.

Generally speaking (Ie not commenting on this particular case) The Police have three options.
Assuming they do not intend to give seized property back.

But a decision has to be made to conclude their course of action.

[Rob Edge]

Let's not get the thread closed lads.

I think the "why do we need" debate is a separate issue. We all like/want different things and it's about rights and not being selfish.

It is more likely to get closed because people are passionate about their particular purchases. Be it right or wrong the main thrust of debate on this subject always ends up with people quoting this and that from HO or BASC etc etc. The failure is to understand the SA airguns were never legal to posses because they didn't exist in large numbers when the act was first amended after Hungerford and Dunblane. I have always pointed out that if a product was legal then it would be purchasable from the Distributor or UK Concessionaire which isn't the case in recent times.

[Grahamcs]

You expressed an adverse opinion on the people that want/own semi autos - not on the semi autos themselves. No good back-pedalling now.

Ok I apologise if I offended anybody.

That was not my intent.

[Grahamcs]

Ok Different point.

Why doesn't somebody put the sig action in a 5 shot full power hunting rifle?

Wouldn't that do the job and get round the law issue?

[gingernut]

It is more likely to get closed because people are passionate about their particular purchases. Be it right or wrong the main thrust of debate on this subject always ends up with people quoting this and that from HO or BASC etc etc. The failure is to understand the SA airguns were never legal to posses because they didn't exist in large numbers when the act was first amended after Hungerford and Dunblane. I have always pointed out that if a product was legal then it would be purchasable from the Distributor or UK Concessionaire which isn't the case in recent times.

The semi auto law was a direct response to the Hungerford tragedy.
Clearly passed to outlaw rifles such as the one used by Ryan.
At that time handguns were still legal and remained so until after Dunblane.
Many hand guns are semi autos.
But according to your stance they must have been illegal.

[RobF]

Do We think this is really a reality

We don't need to think. We know. Dorset FEO put matters in writing to both my clubs when I was on committee and in the chair.

Why would you think it wasn't?

[Rich]

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I have always pointed out that if a product was legal then it would be purchasable from the Distributor or UK Concessionaire

unquote

That is what is called a non sequitur. It doesn't follow. The distributor is not necessarily compelled to import or distribute every one of the principal's lines. Any distributor will bring in those products that will make him a margin, and the better the margin the more effort he will put into the marketing.

[1066]

[QUOTE=gingernut;7107097]

It is more likely to get closed because people are passionate about their particular purchases. Be it right or wrong the main thrust of debate on this subject always ends up with people quoting this and that from HO or BASC etc etc. The failure is to understand the SA airguns were never legal to posses because they didn't exist in large numbers when the act was first amended after Hungerford and Dunblane. I have always pointed out that if a product was legal then it would be purchasable from the Distributor or UK Concessionaire which isn't the case in recent times.[/QUOTE

The semi auto law was a direct response to the Hungerford tragedy.
Clearly passed to outlaw rifles such as the one used by Ryan.
At that time handguns were still legal and remained so until after Dunblane.
Many hand guns are semi autos.
But according to your stance they must have been illegal.

That was exactly the time when all shooters, whether clay, game, F/B Target rifle, air gunner, pistol shooter should have all hung together - most knew it wouldn't effect them and were only too keen to sell those odd bods, who wanted to shoot those nasty semi-auto rifles, down the road.

Of course, next it was the full bore pistol shooters, then the rimfire pistol shooter, and so it continues.

[RobF]

[QUOTE=gingernut;7107097]

It is more likely to get closed because people are passionate about their particular purchases. Be it right or wrong the main thrust of debate on this subject always ends up with people quoting this and that from HO or BASC etc etc. The failure is to understand the SA airguns were never legal to posses because they didn't exist in large numbers when the act was first amended after Hungerford and Dunblane. I have always pointed out that if a product was legal then it would be purchasable from the Distributor or UK Concessionaire which isn't the case in recent times.[/QUOTE

The semi auto law was a direct response to the Hungerford tragedy.
Clearly passed to outlaw rifles such as the one used by Ryan.
At that time handguns were still legal and remained so until after Dunblane.
Many hand guns are semi autos.
But according to your stance they must have been illegal.

Pistols were allowed until 97 because the semi auto clause allowed only mentioned rifles.

any self-loading or pump-action rifle other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/45/section/1

Now is says...

any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;

It now says gun, not rifle.

[gingernut]

Well so it does.
Who says Firearms Legislation is too complicated?

[bighit]

You assume a lot of a person based on one post don't you?

I would fully support any fellow shooters regardless of what they want to shoot.

Hence I am a member of Basc.

However, all I am saying is that the scar at the club isn't what I personally find enjoyable.

It is not accurate, jams all the time and is trying to be something it is not.

Walt gun IMO.

My Personal opinion is that single shot or magazine fed rifles are more enjoyable for me because they are more involving with more to do.

I fully appreciate that other people are different and each to there own.

That is not an attitude. That is an opinion on semi autos.

Oh hang on....of course I get it. You want me to have a socialist opinion don't you?

ah .so because I'm from Scotland you think I support the SNP? your wrong. far from it.

some say airguns are toys and most would be powder burner gun owners. petty that's all it is.

just because you don't like them does not mean they should be known as Walt guns.

I know plenty of BASC and SACS members that shun airguns as toys.

[bighit]

[QUOTE=1066;7107109]

That was exactly the time when all shooters, whether clay, game, F/B Target rifle, air gunner, pistol shooter should have all hung together - most knew it wouldn't effect them and were only too keen to sell those odd bods, who wanted to shoot those nasty semi-auto rifles, down the road.

Of course, next it was the full bore pistol shooters, then the rimfire pistol shooter, and so it continues.

semi autos are for walts. its been proven on here .


you are right. ALL shooters should unite to fight off legalisation off ALL types of shooting when challenged. as you say ,if they break down one form the next forms will be attacked.


although the Scottish airgun license mainly affected the Scottish air gunners ,a fair amount of English shooters dived in to try and help the Scots stop it. I have huge respect for them to try and help us. I would do the same for them and ALL shooting disciplines if they are attacked.

[Rob Edge]

The semi auto law was a direct response to the Hungerford tragedy.
Clearly passed to outlaw rifles such as the one used by Ryan.
At that time handguns were still legal and remained so until after Dunblane.
Many hand guns are semi autos.
But according to your stance they must have been illegal.

Correct. Pistols didn't fall into section 5 until after Dunblane. I regularly used semi auto pistols until the ban. After Hungerford all auto or semi auto rifles fell into section 5.

quote

I have always pointed out that if a product was legal then it would be purchasable from the Distributor or UK Concessionaire

unquote

That is what is called a non sequitur. It doesn't follow. The distributor is not necessarily compelled to import or distribute every one of the principal's lines. Any distributor will bring in those products that will make him a margin, and the better the margin the more effort he will put into the marketing.

If the distributor thought it was legal then a test of the market would follow. It never has.

[Rob Edge]

Pistols were allowed until 97 because the semi auto clause allowed only mentioned rifles.



http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/45/section/1

Now is says...



It now says gun, not rifle.

Agreed.