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    BSA Shadow OR Trooper that should be the question. :-)

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    I don't seem to be able to find out much info about these rifles, I've just brought one mint boxed s/no 00045

    Any one know how many were made and was there ever a sales leaflet, or indeed a magazine test.
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    Both Troopers I have got are with a serial number starting with an "A" and have "KETT" and a "F" in a pentagon on them.
    "KETT" standing for Eduard Kettner in Germany.
    Apart from the above the only difference is the hardened steel ball/pin above the transfer port.


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    Copie of a KETTNER catalogue




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    This is the beast Frank, its marked Shadow on the cylinder , s/no is D00045 .22 , its mint never been fired

    The end of the box says its a shadow,its still got the price label stuck on the end £74.95
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    complicated

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/40594...ated+than+that.....


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    Thumbs up

    as it says in that last link ,its a bsa buccaneer/shadow/trooper "oh well I like it anyway"

    Thanks for you input Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsa-nige View Post



    This is the beast Frank, its marked Shadow on the cylinder , s/no is D00045 .22 , its mint never been fired

    The end of the box says its a shadow,its still got the price label stuck on the end £74.95
    I had one the same that was stamped Shadow, can't help with any photos as l sold it a few years ago.

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    The instructions and parts list supplied with the long barrelled Shadow/Trooper, 'A' & 'D' series, are marked exactly that, but it certainly confuses the issue when the short barrelled Shadow, of which I've only seen a 'R' .22 example, is included in the mix.
    It would appear the 'Trooper' was exported, whilst the long barreled 'Shadow' was sold in the UK.
    I don't know how true it is, but I was told some time ago that a gun shop in Wales bought a quantity of Long barreled 'Shadows' from BSA, which is where most, if not all of the UK sales originated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frakor View Post
    Apart from the above the only difference is the hardened steel ball/pin above the transfer port.

    Frank
    What do you think is the purpose of that ball/pin?

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    pin

    Have been wondering about that too.
    But I have found the answer!
    Never thought it was that simple ....

    The pin goes straight through the transfer port! this restricts the flow of air and that means less power.
    In Germany there are strickt power limits for air rifles that means they can NOT be over 7,5 joule (about 6 ftp).
    Think this was the easiest way for BSA to adapt a full power Buccaneer to a restricted power Trooper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frakor View Post
    Have been wondering about that too.
    But I have found the answer!
    Never thought it was that simple ....

    The pin goes straight through the transfer port! this restricts the flow of air and that means less power.
    In Germany there are strickt power limits for air rifles that means they can NOT be over 7,5 joule (about 6 ftp).
    Think this was the easiest way for BSA to adapt a full power Buccaneer to a restricted power Trooper.

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    The full power output from the Buccaneer was only around 6 ftp, sp presumably this restriction was a German legal requirement.

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    I have a BSA Carbine that appears to be a Shadow. However the Cylinder does not have any writing on it and it and it has no scope grooves. The serial prefix is PA and the rear sight is the later one, not "bridge" type. I would be interested on any thoughts on this?
    My own thoughts are it is a factory "Bitsa" using up parts that were in stock. I know with some Bsa rifles that parts carried on and were used up in different Mks of the same model.
    Just checked and even the barrel does not have Bsa on it at all?
    So what I have is an unmarked carbine other than the barrel prefix
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    'PA' is a Scorpion serial number, so it looks like it has a Mk.1 scorpion cylinder, and as you say, would appear to be a 'Bitsa' made up by somebody, and the rear sight could have been fitted at any time.
    Can't explain the lack of stampings on the barrel, which does seem strange as the 'PA' will have been stamped on the linkage part of the breech.
    Does it have the standard Buccaneer stock, only in black ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troubledshooter View Post
    'PA' is a Scorpion serial number, so it looks like it has a Mk.1 scorpion cylinder, and as you say, would appear to be a 'Bitsa' made up by somebody, and the rear sight could have been fitted at any time.
    Can't explain the lack of stampings on the barrel, which does seem strange as the 'PA' will have been stamped on the linkage part of the breech.
    Does it have the standard Buccaneer stock, only in black ?
    It looks just like the Shadow in Frakor's picture on post 7.
    The cylinder has the locating peg hole in the place for the later sight and not in the place of the earlier "bridge" type sight, so I assume that the cylinder and sight have always been together. The lack of any Bsa name stamping or model stamping, makes me think it has come out of the factory like that probably using up bits that were lay around.
    I don't like the thing anyhow and am giving it to someone.
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