Is the 223 & 22-250 bullet head the same ?

[warbucks]

In my case here i am talking about shooting foxes at night with n/v so cannot dial in, and 80% of the time it has to be taken off shooting sticks.
I was thinking on the lines than a 22-250 zeroed at 250-260 yds with the n/v being 2.6" above the bore that i would have a point blank range of around 280-290 yds using 50/53g bullets doing 3,800 fps ?.

Ive done over 500 foxes since ive owned the 223, bullet wise what iv'e found is ballistic tips of 50g-55g have stopped foxes a lot better than 40g bullets, iv'e tried Federal 40g bt's and Hornady 40g bt's and there was clearly a higher percentage of runners with both of these's, ( with good shot placement), got to say that the Hornady 53g v-max home loads seem to be "amongst" the best so far.

Dave (warbucks)

[Treebone]

Dave, does your NV device have interchangeable reticals? if so how about selecting one with horizontal and vertical hash lines (if it has one) and test shoot targets at fixed distances, to see where the bullets impact corresponding with each hash line.

TB.

[warbucks]

Dave, does your NV device have interchangeable reticals? if so how about selecting one with horizontal and vertical hash lines (if it has one) and test shoot targets at fixed distances, to see where the bullets impact corresponding with each hash line.

TB.

Yes the Drone Pro 10x does have a ladder type retical that could be used for hold over.
Local mate "Optims silk" has just ordered one of "Splatty's" range finders as he has been having the same problem's as me with the 223 so over the next few weeks we should see if this is any help to the long range foxing with the 223's.
I did get a fox last night that was a google earthed 245 yds off sticks.

Dave (warbucks)

[Bomag]

Try 52gr Amax, I found them much better than Vmax for stopping power, better BC too.

[Elliott]

Try 52gr Amax, I found them much better than Vmax for stopping power, better BC too.

The BC isn't quite as good as the 53gr V-Max

[jackal1]

Long range in the dark is one of the reasons i sold my .223 and replaced it with a .204. If i couldn't have a .204 i would have a 22.250 or .243 using 55grn bullets. Flat shooting is a real advantage using n/v.

[warbucks]

Long range in the dark is one of the reasons i sold my .223 and replaced it with a .204. If i couldn't have a .204 i would have a 22.250 or .243 using 55grn bullets. Flat shooting is a real advantage using n/v.

Yes after 3 years with the 223 and over 500 foxes, iv'e got to agree with this, there all flatter shooting than the 223, then the question would be which one, i know most 204 owners swear by them, but for me there would be the doubt of long range knock down power, my thinking at the moment would be 22-250.

Dave (warbucks)

[warbucks]

The BC isn't quite as good as the 53gr V-Max

Yeh, looked this up last night 52g Amax BC 0.247. 53g Vmax BC 0.290

Dave (warbucks)

[RichardH]

Yeh, looked this up last night 52g Amax BC 0.247. 53g Vmax BC 0.290

Dave (warbucks)

You'd be better practicing with a .223 than worrying about a bigger cartridge

All the .22 centrefires will do the job if you hit the right area, or none of them if you dont

[Bomag]

The BC isn't quite as good as the 53gr V-Max

I use .340 on Strelock, its the only way to get the drop right. changes drop from 8.94"(0.247 BC) to 7.72"(0.340 BC) at 300yds from a 100yd zero.

[223AI]

I use .340 on Strelock, its the only way to get the drop right. changes drop from 8.94"(0.247 BC) to 7.72"(0.340 BC) at 300yds from a 100yd zero.

Still couldn't quite beat my 40+ year old .308 at Mqueens though

[bewsh]

The BC isn't quite as good as the 53gr V-Max

but the quality and real world results in MUCH better

just google for the amount of people with issues with 53gr

I ran 52s in the .222 and shot them out to 400yds without issue
certainly enough accuracy and energy to knock a fox over at 300+

they are foxes not wild boar

an extra 2-300fps is not going to save a crap wind call on a moonless night with the rain coming down your neck

[Mini Magnum]

Theres not a huge difference in terms of trajectory, between .223 40grvmax , .243 58gr max and .22-250 40gr vmax.
.243 is slightly flatter using 58gr vmax to 400yds than the .22-250 with 40gr vmax, half inch difference. The .223 is virtually the same out to 300yds using 40gr max, then at 400 drops 3" more in comparison to the others. As a rough example.

Personally I would go for the .243 its has equal laser like shooting to a .22-250 and is deer legal for all species in the UK.

I used a .243 for a long time and was tempted by a .223 for foxing with night vision, so i can see the animal drop in the sight due to the softer recoil of the .223.

If using fast bullets the difference is next to nothing out to 300yds, same goes as a comparison with .204 and .223 if using light 40gr heads..its a nats nob difference..

[Elliott]

but the quality and real world results in MUCH better

just google for the amount of people with issues with 53gr

I've honestly never had an issue with them and I've reloaded hundreds

[no bull]

In my case here i am talking about shooting foxes at night with n/v so cannot dial in, and 80% of the time it has to be taken off shooting sticks.
I was thinking on the lines than a 22-250 zeroed at 250-260 yds with the n/v being 2.6" above the bore that i would have a point blank range of around 280-290 yds using 50/53g bullets doing 3,800 fps ?.

Ive done over 500 foxes since ive owned the 223, bullet wise what iv'e found is ballistic tips of 50g-55g have stopped foxes a lot better than 40g bullets, iv'e tried Federal 40g bt's and Hornady 40g bt's and there was clearly a higher percentage of runners with both of these's, ( with good shot placement), got to say that the Hornady 53g v-max home loads seem to be "amongst" the best so far.

Dave (warbucks)

Correct me if im wrong but I thought the idea of using night vision was you could get closer to the target because your not waving a lamp about and giving your position away, so why would you need to be taking foxes out from so far away .