How many here collect deacts or obsolete caliber pistols?

[Jim McArthur]

A guy in my club has a few sect 7 guns stored in Bisley, he gave a talk to the club about them. I asked him exactly that, how to get a licence and start a collection. You can start a collection with just 1 firearm IIRC.

So the conversation could go. . .


. . . Would-be collector aka WBC): I'd like to start a collection of pistols used in WW1.

FEO: Do you have a FAC?

WBC: Yes, I do.

FEO: Well, you can buy one, to get your collection started. Then you can add additional ones.


Or, would you be required to start off your collection with WW1 rifles, uniforms, and other items not Section 7.1?

Collectors tend to specialize, anyway. If they don't start specialized, they quickly become so. The collector might be interested only in pistols of the era.


Jim

[Jim McArthur]

I realize that no one, even the collector, is permitted to shoot the 7.1 firearms. But are people other than the collector permitted to handle them?


Jim

[markH]

What is the difference between section 7(1), being a "not readily available caliber" which has to be on a part 1 certificate, and an obsolete caliber which requires no certificate?

Got it, I looked up the list of obsolete calibers and there are some older calibers that are specifically not included in the antique classification.

[Smokeless Coal]

FEO: Do you have a FAC?

WBC: Yes, I do.

FEO: Well, you can buy one, to get your collection started. Then you can add additional ones.


Or, would you be required to start off your collection with WW1 rifles, uniforms, and other items not Section 7.1?

I'm afraid the first option is not on. It does look a chicken and egg or catch 22 situation but its not that hard. Section 7 exists for a reason, the reason being to make it possible to be a collector or to preserve special items. The firearms departments are in the position of "will issue" providing there is "good reason" they dont want to be taken to court and most shooters have been fairly treated by them. My FO visited last year for my renewal, I applied for an extra 3, his comment was I could have another 5 pistols and 2 rifles if I wanted, my reply was no thanks just the 3.

[tom simkins]

i collect deacts,, first off i am involved with the CHESHIRE REG ASS and give children the chance to handle and see what that tools of there job where,, i have bren mk1 1941,, webley 38,, sten,, 303 ,, 1854 ,2 band enfield ,, 1857,,3 band enfield,, soon to own a brown bess ,,all have papers for deact,, and the rest are obbs.. i spoz they could be made to shoot but they cost far to much for me even to think about that,,

[Jim McArthur]

i collect deacts,, first off i am involved with the CHESHIRE REG ASS and give children the chance to handle and see what that tools of there job where,, i have bren mk1 1941,, webley 38,, sten,, 303 ,, 1854 ,2 band enfield ,, 1857,,3 band enfield,, soon to own a brown bess ,,all have papers for deact,, and the rest are obbs.. i spoz they could be made to shoot but they cost far to much for me even to think about that,,

I always enjoyed doing demos for the kids. My wife and I used to be 1815-era cannoneer reenactors, and in between firing the Park Service's 6-pounders, I had a scale model cannon that I used for demos.

Jim

[tom simkins]

will be holding two shows in the town this year,,, vets day and queens week,, starts june ands in july ..someone has given me a tripod for the bren,, i am after the drum mag if anyone has one,,

[tom simkins]

try again for the drum mag?

[Jim McArthur]

I'm afraid the first option is not on. It does look a chicken and egg or catch 22 situation but its not that hard. Section 7 exists for a reason, the reason being to make it possible to be a collector or to preserve special items. The firearms departments are in the position of "will issue" providing there is "good reason" they dont want to be taken to court and most shooters have been fairly treated by them. My FO visited last year for my renewal, I applied for an extra 3, his comment was I could have another 5 pistols and 2 rifles if I wanted, my reply was no thanks just the 3.

OK, then, Smokeless: let's assume that I'm a UK resident, and that I already have a FAC, because I shoot a .22 Henry rifle at the local club.

With the Centennial of the First World War just around the corner, I start reading about the conflict, and develop a strong desire to start collecting pistols from that conflict.

I don't plan to shoot the pistols, I just want them as collection pieces.

I don't already own anything WWI related, you see, because I've just developed this interest in the conflict.

And I'm not really interested in medals or rifles or uniforms or bayonets, etc. : just the pistols. And that's all my budget allows for, anyway.

So, how would I convince the FO that yes, I have a legitimate collector's interest in WWI pistols, and only pistols, and should be allowed to purchase them?

Jim