best pump up rifle

[AllanM]

Of my pumpers, I would go along with Ped and say the Benjamin 312 is my favourite.
It's very well made, nice and short and a good hard hitter and I love the look of the tootsie roll pump arm.
A close second would be the Crosman 147 but these days I prefer .22 over .177 because the pellets are a lot less fiddly to load!

Somewhere, I have the Airgun World review of the Whalley Crosman and like many on here, I lusted after one. If I remember rightly you could order it with different types of wood for the stock.

[danco1987]

I've owned quite a few crosman 1377/1322/2289s over the years. Just the one 1322 pistol now



Thrown a bit of money at it as happens with these guns. Its got a flat top piston, flat top valve with stock internals and a light hammer spring and new trigger internals, 2289 black grips and a silencer adaptor & a stubby light delrin silencer which does the job. The original 1322 had a hardened pivot pin which is great. I'm getting 5.2ish fpe with .22 hobbys (440-451fps) and what's great about the FT valve and piston is, that's after only 6 pumps (pump it any higher and power drops as hammer cannot dump the air). With the weaker hammer spring, there's air left in the valve and the second shot at the same power only requires a further 3 pumps.
There is a bit of hammer bounce so fitting a debounce device could help reduce the second charge number of pumps. But tbh, I'm not forking out for a HDD which is just a small bit of plastic shipped over from the states. It does all I need it for, is fun and a great little plinker/close range ratter.

[xmdx13x]

Of the mass produced MSPs I'd go with the Sheridan C. Ive got a few from the 50s that have never been resealed and still shoot strong. Some of the Benjamins 312s and 317s are pretty nice as well and can put out some nice power. There's alot of really nice guns that weren't mass produced that are nicer and better built but harder to come by. In terms of newer guns the Chinese MSP Multi shot is a good gun by most accounts.

Heres a pic of my nicely wooded Silver Streak

https://www.instagram.com/p/BV8g0p-g...d=ff1myhwhkrjb

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Of the mass produced MSPs I'd go with the Sheridan C. Ive got a few from the 50s that have never been resealed and still shoot strong. Some of the Benjamins 312s and 317s are pretty nice as well and can put out some nice power. There's alot of really nice guns that weren't mass produced that are nicer and better built but harder to come by. In terms of newer guns the Chinese MSP Multi shot is a good gun by most accounts.

Heres a pic of my nicely wooded Silver Streak

https://www.instagram.com/p/BV8g0p-g...d=ff1myhwhkrjb

that's one of the nicest silvers I've seen stock wise was the Williams peep factory fitted or added later

[xmdx13x]

that's one of the nicest silvers I've seen stock wise was the Williams peep factory fitted or added later

It came from the factory fitted and has the longer 6" handguard. In general the Sheridans that came from the factory with the peep sights installed had nicer walnut stocks. Ive got a hold down safety model peep sight with a really nice wood as well but on that one the figure doesnt follow thru to both sides.

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I keep looking for a thumb safety but not found one at realistic money same as silvers
I have a mate who works part time at a platers and may get one of my bluestreaks nickeled

[AllanM]

It came from the factory fitted and has the longer 6" handguard. In general the Sheridans that came from the factory with the peep sights installed had nicer walnut stocks. Ive got a hold down safety model peep sight with a really nice wood as well but on that one the figure doesnt follow thru to both sides.

That certainly is one of the nicest stocks I've seen on a Sheridan.
I have a Model F CO2 in Tiger Maple but have to admit your looks even better -- I'm an absolute sucker for nicely figured wood!

[xmdx13x]

That certainly is one of the nicest stocks I've seen on a Sheridan.
I have a Model F CO2 in Tiger Maple but have to admit your looks even better -- I'm an absolute sucker for nicely figured wood!

Ya, I'm a sucker for nice walmut as well. Here is another Sheridan I got with nice wood.

https://imgur.com/a/j1VInMR

Nice Crosman Danco. Crosman's 13XX have a good modular platform and there is a cottage industry of parts for them. Im not sure why Crosman hasnt made a rifle sized version on the same platform or with a Marauder breech. Tuners would have a good time modding them and I'm sure theyd push the platform further.

[MartynB]

I'm an absolute sucker for nicely figured wood!

Who isn't ?

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I've owned quite a few crosman 1377/1322/2289s over the years. Just the one 1322 pistol now



Thrown a bit of money at it as happens with these guns. Its got a flat top piston, flat top valve with stock internals and a light hammer spring and new trigger internals, 2289 black grips and a silencer adaptor & a stubby light delrin silencer which does the job. The original 1322 had a hardened pivot pin which is great. I'm getting 5.2ish fpe with .22 hobbys (440-451fps) and what's great about the FT valve and piston is, that's after only 6 pumps (pump it any higher and power drops as hammer cannot dump the air). With the weaker hammer spring, there's air left in the valve and the second shot at the same power only requires a further 3 pumps.
There is a bit of hammer bounce so fitting a debounce device could help reduce the second charge number of pumps. But tbh, I'm not forking out for a HDD which is just a small bit of plastic shipped over from the states. It does all I need it for, is fun and a great little plinker/close range ratter.

like you've done with your 1322 this has a FTP and shoots about 5.5fpe on 5 pumps but is limited by the light hammer spring and starts to valve lock so on 6 pumps shoots under 5fpe
I made it from a second variant 1322 but only used barrel tube and lever the frame is a phase 1 frame and the valve is a new phase 3 one I made all the other parts
the wood work I inletted for the grip and lever but sent it to Patty to be shaped
https://i.imgur.com/wsH0SrO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6CvYX31.jpg

[danco1987]

like you've done with your 1322 this has a FTP and shoots about 5.5fpe on 5 pumps but is limited by the light hammer spring and starts to valve lock so on 6 pumps shoots under 5fpe
I made it from a second variant 1322 but only used barrel tube and lever the frame is a phase 1 frame and the valve is a new phase 3 one I made all the other parts
the wood work I inletted for the grip and lever but sent it to Patty to be shaped
https://i.imgur.com/wsH0SrO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6CvYX31.jpg

Nice 1322! I like the wooden grips too. That's the next upgrade for me when I find a pair I like

[MartynB]

Somewhere, I have the Airgun World review of the Whalley Crosman and like many on here, I lusted after one. If I remember rightly you could order it with different types of wood for the stock.

Regard the stock wood, I also seem to recall that, would be interesting to re-read that review !

Maybe Terry can lay his hands on it

[AllanM]

Regard the stock wood, I also seem to recall that, would be interesting to re-read that review !

Maybe Terry can lay his hands on it

I've dug out the March 1979 issue of Airgun World in which Arthur Reid reviews the Whaley/Crosman 761XL.
He doesn't mention anything about different wood stocks but a contemporary advert by Whaley's of North London says "each rifle is custom built to customer's requirements and has over 200 different combinations of finish"
I still seem to remember seeing an advert or article that actually listed the various types of wood available, also I feel sure I read a review by Rod Lynton -- I know he definitely owned one.

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another nice c series
would be nice for crosman to do a 13xx based on the 140 tube or a 7/8" tube but it would compete with the 392/7
I recently made a tube valve and piston for a mate in 7/8" for a ssp pistol ended up as a 2 stroke in the end and I've made a few using 2100/2200 tubes