you cant get blood from a stone
Yes, I agree but the law is the law and there isn’t a retailer in the UK that could legally support a refusal for a full refund on something you are returning that you’ve purchased without even seeing i.e. mail order or internet.
However in this current recession I bet there are a few retails that would be only too willing to agree to sell you a £1,300 scope on the bases that you might return it in the same condition as it left them, if it’s not to your liking, at least that way they have a 50% chance of a sale.
Buying something mail order so that you can have a look at it and then deciding whether to keep it or not is no different to looking at it in the shop, the only difference is that you are looking at it in your own home and not on the shops premises. Almost the entire population do this (Freemans, Kays etc, etc) most of the time you end up keeping what you ordered but sometimes you return things, the only looser in this case is you because you end up paying two lots of postage but sometimes this is still cheaper and more convenient than driving to the shop and back.
Opening a box and looking at something is exactly that whether it’s in the shop or at your home makes no difference.
Ballie I have both the Zeiss and the swaro and the Zeiss is better
I have looked through a Nightforce and Zeiss side by side and the Zeiss had a much larger field of view, cant say whether it was brighter as it was a lovely July day at the time
I use 10x when lamping, can zoom up to 14x before it starts getting darker.
And sorry keep forgetting to ring you
Ziess is a far better performer in the dark the anything from NF but there is just no need to go 72mm
IMHO.
I would suggest a 50mm lens personally but I actually use a 36mm and if I could get one would very happily use another on any sub 300 yard rifle.
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Just out of interest, why did you pick IR 60?
I note another BBSer has written encouragingly about it, and I guess it looks less like a Christmas-tree than the mildot one, which seems to light up almost entirely.
Last edited by Dalua; 11-05-2009 at 04:28 PM.
I'm not sure if that other BBSer you're referring to is me, but I chose the No 60 reticle because it has the most subtle illumination to my eyes. I usually use it on low power, with the dot no brighter than a weedy glow-worm. The reticle is not as fine as say an NP-R1 in a Nightforce, but it seems clearer to me. And I don't like mildot reticles in general.
I think it prob. is you, Alex.
Thanks for your thoughts on that. Are you refering to use at night with your shy glow-worm effect dot? Is the aiming-spot still visible wthout the illumination turned on?
Did you think the ret 40 was a bit on the fat side? According to the Zeiss website, it is a fair bit thicker.
Thanks again.
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Yes, I do quite a lot of fox control and found the illuminated dot a real boon. I have a couple of S&B Zenith Flashdots for woodland stalking and dangerous game, which use the same principle. The dot shows as black, hovering between the stadia. There's no point in getting a fat reticle (No 40) if you're also having such precise illumination.
Yes, you dial in with the Zeiss, as you would with a Nightforce.
That’s the reason.
Also I don't use hold over when lamping foxes anymore I now prefer to dial the range in on the turret (this is how I use my night force) I assume I will be able to do the same on the Zeiss. The single dot seems a lot less fuss to me than lots of lines (like my N/F, NP-R2)
People say it’s an expensive scope but I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for and as far as I am concerned the next step up for me would be a Longbow but I am not sure I could get £5,000 pass the Mrs!
I have 2 of the 6-24x56ir Zeiss and compared to the couple of NF that i have seen the Zeiss stand head and shoulders above the NF. The picture is right there in the rear lense if you know what i mean rather than looking like its part the way down the tube!
When lamping i quite often use 14x mag an have even wound it up to 20x without any probs what so ever! Just simply stunning! When funds allow i shall get another!
i'm thinking of buying one of these for my rifle, it'll be used for lamping and long range magpie/grey crow/rabbit shooting, just havent made my mind up on the 72mm or 56mm obj, i've shopped around and can get an ex demo 72mm model for d same price as a new 56mm but i don't know which to go for, the 72mm is surely better but will be mor expensive to mount due to d 34mm tube and i'll need a comb raiser due to the extra height of the scope, is there much difference between d optical quality of them, any advice will be greatly appreciated,
Hi ormondprop,
I have recently bought the 56mm one and it is the DOG's testicles, it makes the NightForce I have look like a cheap scope (well not quite, but the Zeiss is much better) the 56 and 72 will be the same in day light the only thing the 72 will do better would be dawn/dusk.
However, my 56mm is very good at dawn dusk and much better than the N/F. At night with a lightforce SL170 lamp with Amber filter I can pick out a single leaf on a tree at over 300 yards.
My advice would be go for the 56mm the mounts are cheaper and you can mount it lower to the barrel, but the choice is yours.
All I can say is if you buy one you won't regret it.