Hammerli AR20FT

[Palmanda]

I guess time will tell on the build quality but for the money it looks like a good starter/Intermediate FT rifle to me

and the price is definitely right

[Scooby]

I guess time will tell on the build quality but for the money it looks like a good starter/Intermediate FT rifle to me

and the price is definitely right

Definitely

[Raygun]

So far the only thing that is right is the price.

Only time will tell if anything else is right. Has it won anything, will it ?

I like the look of the rifle and would certainly consider getting one should I need another rifle of that type. It looks great value for money but up to now that's all. I hope it does well as it's certainly pitched right.
Time will tell us who's right throughout this thread.

As far as I know BAR has not yet received their delivery of .177's so that's why the site says "out of stock". If they are selling them at £599 with scope it could make some look a bit silly

ATB
Ray.

[thumbhole]

The old saying you get what you pay for, may or may not be right here,one thing for certain it seems a good price, is accurate from peoples reports, but so are all my rapids capable of singe hole at 45 yards on still day in the right hands. Most decent air rifles with good barrels are. The issue here is its not everyones cup off tea, no its not a walther steyr etc as it does not have the huge ammount of money and R&D put in to it and you will always have the people with money, that can afford the top notch equipment that will look down and say its cheap etc etc. But this does not make it worse or better than someone that can afford a fancy name. My point is a range rover sport is a four wheel drive so is a Tata both have four wheels etc etc both are vehicles just Both do a job off getting the occupants from A to B one better than the other. The AR20 is a bargain entry level piece of kit and i think it will stir up the other manufactures that have held top place, but it will be all down to supply and demand. My choice would be buy an AR20 and have it fettled. which most people do to their rifles anyway whatever the make. But if i could afford one another child on way i would opt for a new ISP airstream made and built in this country awesome

[beatman]

"Before you have any more sly digs, please show me where I've been wrong? Or is it because I have a different point of view to yours? Will you be at Redfearns on the 15th, I'm sure we could have a good chat around the course and over a brew? You do realise we actually agree. "

Ryan,
First of all an apology if you think I was having sly dig's, it's just positive banter.
Nothing personal, I was being sincere when I said I was pleased to make your acquaintance... We were both talking the product up from different perspectives that's all.
It's given this thread some life and kept it entertaining while being able to pull more comments from readers.
I like your sense of humor and I'll bet you can teach me a thing or two on the FT course at Redfearns.. I am a member there and would enjoy a round and a brew.. so 15th about 11:30 would be OK with me.

ATB

Ron

I suppose after all this I had better shoot the AR20... so I'm going to go get some practice in.. I think I'm going to need it....

[Mikes]

Stuart LG400 looks nice, Beatman this would make a good FT rifle upgraded to
12lbft IMO?

[RobF]

I think Walther are being quite clever with this. There's also the deal for the 10m shooters which gives you the rifle and a full set of clothing for 10m, for around 8-900 euros (cant remember the specific amount).

That seems to ape the idea behind this, to place kit in the hands of new shooters for a very reasonable amount to get them going. That and perhaps clubs as well.

I suspect then, the stuff like the LG400 series will be pitched as a rank above, for the more financially committed.

It's perhaps a more target orientated attempt around what air arms have done with the EV2/MPR/S500/400/200 but just around two platforms, the S200 not being made by AA either. (nor the springer prototype I have on my shelf that never made the light of day either). But towards the top offering, that is no longer a factor with either AA or Walther.

Haven't seen anyone answer, but is the scope mildot? If it is, that would hopefully make it attractive for FT & HFT, and the stock adjustability could mean it could be setup relatively well for both, assuming you don't need to get into moving the scope.

Early days. It seems to have made it's impact in terms of forum inches. I guess it's a case of seeing how well it does in the real world. As ever, that will be the value attached to it vs it's cost, and then people will make up their own minds.

Wonder if there'll be an LG400 dominator.

[RobF]

ed: the 10m rifle and clothing kit is 900 euros.

[Saplin]

As a beginner and as a would be FT shooter, my standard thumbhole Daystate Mk4 set up with an EB sniper would take quite an investment to bring up to FT fettle just on the stock and a half decent scope. Then I might not take to it or be able to shoot often enough to justify the expense.

The appearance of the AR20 sets off an entirely new thought process for me because for the price of a scope and stock for my existing rifle (or very little more) I could have a complete new set up in standard form. BAR (with whom I have had lots of first class dealings) have already confirmed elsewhere that the price they quote is inclusive of the scope.

If I was not taken with FT I would have an unmolested set up to sell second hand and potentially lose a lot less money.

It might encourage a lot more people to have a go. My concern is that this price may not last long especially if it proves to be good value and popular.

My two penneth!

Paul

[Rubi-tong]

In response to the "is the scope included or not" questions then, YES I have been told by BAR that the scope is included with their AR20's, not sure if it's mildot or not but if your after a cheap set-up for FT or HFT then surely for £599 complete, it's got to be hard to beat. I contemplated getting rid of the Steyr for one of these and a hunting rifle, that was until I woke up and realised i've had too many over the space of a couple of years, sticking to this now and learning it properly (need to as I shot crap in the combined clubs trophy, sorry Emley1)
Still a bargain, even with the quality issues. triggers pretty good, barrels straight and can be adjusted to fit. BARGAIN

[Saplin]

My concern is that this price may not last long especially if it proves to be good value and popular.

Paul

Well that didn't take long, (my post 78) price has just gone up another £100 at BAR, all ten rifles pre ordered sold at old price.