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    Thanks for that info.Tantomurata , been told a good Excellent will put out around 10 ft LBs , is the ammo available in UK though , 5.4 lead balls .
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    Hi Hawkeye,
    I've repaired a couple of these for a collector pal; they work fine with normal 5.5mm pellets, they push in and "size" down easily with a pellet pusher, you can make one with a metal pin fixed in a piece of wood. This design can be a pain to seal, I notice the one at Protek has low power. I have had to faff about shimming the breech block to be a close fit to the barrel as it relies on a metal to metal fit only to keep air in. They do come up for sale but I'd recommend seeing what you're buying and making sure it actually works!

    torrens

    ps I'd reckon 7 or 8ft lb is more likely.....

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    not all the excellent rifles will load pellets, the ones with the rotary knob will only take 5.4mm ball ammo unless you want to try to push a pellet backwards into the rotary breech and i wouldnt have thought that a good idea?
    if you want to go the way torrens suggests you need to make sure you get the one with the pivoting breech, i still have a brand new excellent match somewhere which takes 10x lead balls in a magazine, they are a nice gun to play with if youve never had one, they feel and handle better than they look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shabee View Post
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    not all the excellent rifles will load pellets, the ones with the rotary knob will only take 5.4mm ball ammo unless you want to try to push a pellet backwards into the rotary breech and i wouldnt have thought that a good idea?
    if you want to go the way torrens suggests you need to make sure you get the one with the pivoting breech, i still have a brand new excellent match somewhere which takes 10x lead balls in a magazine, they are a nice gun to play with if youve never had one, they feel and handle better than they look.
    ric
    A friend on another forum from Netherlands has a couple from new and he has said he tried sizing pellets but accuracy was crap so he reverted to buying the 5.4mm ball shot from Sweden but postage was crippling , what year is the match rifle you have and is still 5.4 mm ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye View Post
    A friend on another forum from Netherlands has a couple from new and he has said he tried sizing pellets but accuracy was crap so he reverted to buying the 5.4mm ball shot from Sweden but postage was crippling , what year is the match rifle you have and is still 5.4 mm ?
    Hi, I have one !
    Its not called an Excellent because this is the gun they were copied from ?
    Its a " Bahco " Made by the wrench people from sweden circa 1900 & mentioned in the Blue Book. ( Note the price )
    Its also not 5.4 mm, I think 4.4 mm , It would make I would think around 3-4 Fpe ,

    I think any of these guns regardless of calibre would not make much more , I say this because even though they are pneumatic, There is no breech seal & The pumping has no mechanical advantage ?
    The one I have is in very good condition ( It needs the nickel plating to the brass parts to make " Nearly " perfect for the year )

    Certainly a collectible ! Possibly a museum addition for the swedes !
    Anyway, Here it is, Ged.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye View Post
    been told a good Excellent will put out around 10 ft LBs
    Quote Originally Posted by torrens View Post
    I'd reckon 7 or 8ft lb is more likely.....
    Found this online; "In Sweden, it is possible to freely acquire air guns with a muzzle energy not exceeding 10 joules (7.4 ft·lbf). Air guns with muzzle energy over 10 J must be registered (gun license is needed)."
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws
    Maybe a good Excellent puts out around 10 Joule, not 10 ft LBs, that would keep it at the Swedish legal limit, and would be a tad under 7 1/2 ftlbs.
    I collect vintage Japanese air rifles & vintage Japanese pellets
    Information sought about antique firearms with Japanese markings, do you have one ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantomurata View Post
    Found this online; "In Sweden, it is possible to freely acquire air guns with a muzzle energy not exceeding 10 joules (7.4 ft·lbf). Air guns with muzzle energy over 10 J must be registered (gun license is needed)."
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws
    Maybe a good Excellent puts out around 10 Joule, not 10 ft LBs, that would keep it at the Swedish legal limit, and would be a tad under 7 1/2 ftlbs.
    Thats a pretty low figure for hunting , the ones my mate from Netherlands has he has owned for over forty years which he used to hunt rabbits with ,it was him gave me the details including calibre of 5.4mm he even sent me photos and Protek are selling the same size shot of 5.4mm so are we talking of different rifles ?
    first is link to the excellent rifle they have for sale on commision 3/4 of way down page ,second one shows h&n 5.4mm balls for Swedish rifles ?
    http://www.proteksupplies.co.uk/page4.html
    http://www.proteksupplies.co.uk/page11.html
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    Ged I notice yours looks like brass , photos I have are of blued steel barrel and silver pump, handle and stock of wood .
    I checked on the Protek rifle and that too is 5.4mm perhaps they did both calibres but again Protek listing as" Excelent" Swedish air rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye View Post
    Ged I notice yours looks like brass , photos I have are of blued steel barrel and silver pump, handle and stock of wood .
    I checked on the Protek rifle and that too is 5.4mm perhaps they did both calibres but again Protek listing as" Excelent" Swedish air rifle.
    Hiya mate, & all,
    The Excellent & the Bahco are all brass, They were nickel coated & I removed mine as it was patchy , & I will re nickel when I am set up again,

    They are identical, excepting for calibre & some later tweeks, I have to laugh when I hear of 10 Fpe !!!!!
    I have a tuned one in my hands, ( By me )
    The material thickness of the brass pump tube is very light, Certainly not given to " Hard " Pumping,

    The pumping effort is considerable, & The mechanics of the pump design inhibit excessive pressure, This allied to the breech which is only a mating surface IE No seal.
    The pump head has a unique feature, It seals when pumping up, But on returning the vacuum is released via the pump head,

    The barrel is blacked, Octagonal to round & smooth bored & in good condition with a very nice stock with steel shoulder " Bit "
    Believe it or not ! Haha, Ged.

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    I've not had mine long, don't seem to be able to find a function to load a photo on here. This morning I put a few pellets through the chrono. I am unable to find any 5.4 balls, so have used a sizer off with .22 pellets. Using a 12 grain pellet I get: 4.76, 4.88 and 4.14 with 10 pumps. The difference between the first two and last I'm sure is due to pumping consistancy. The 9th and 10th pumps taking a lot off effort. I tried one more at 8 pumps and got 3.43. I haven't had it long enough to assess accuracy, but as it was designed with balls in mind I don't think it's going to be great. It has a small spring loaded plunger in the barrel just beyond the breech to prevent balls rolling out. This is not going to be doing much towards a nice stable pellet, I could remove the plunger and blank the hole off, but it is not my intention to use this for anything serious, just pure enjoyment. It's a cracking little rifle if you like things a bit different and it makes a lovely noise when fired. Shooting bunnies Nah!

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    Well Dave there seems to be a lot of differences in models and makers name , is yours the Excellent brand or the Bahco as per Ged,s , I was given all data from a friend in the Netherlands who has two models of the excellent rifle in 5.4mm ball shot ,he is not selling either of them so has no reason to say other than what is true in his case,Ric has a new one virtually unused he said that when he got it power was quite good
    and it has a ten shot magazine , Ged said originally they were only in 4.5mm and his was smooth bored ,all the ones I have seen for sale have
    been the 5.4mm lead ball and specified as rifled - paradox barrel,there a links on previous page for most of this and i have email from my friend confirming details of his , prices in Uk seem to be artifically high compared to EU countries and the states but not sure about customs problems
    from states importing them , I had problem previously with UK customs importing a firing pin for one of my b/a rifles (firearm) they came to the house ,checked the firearm and my certificate but still kept the firing pin , since then i hav,nt ordered outside uk .
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    Hello again
    firstly to answer your question to me, its been a long time since ive seen the match rifle but from memory they were only made for three years (66-70), ive had the one i think i have for over twenty years and yes its definitly 5.4mm and you can only use ball ammo in it. It is the same as the one for sale in the previous post which someone showed, in fact all three for sale above have the rotary breech of which i speak when i say you must use ball ammo, there is also a model which i think i may no longer have which has a pivoting breech or twist to the side which when open would allow a sized pellet to be placed directly into the bore and would allow the method which torrens speaks of to be adopted.
    Furthermore you will notice that protek have sold the 5.4 ammo they had for sale as it says SOLD so it must have been some they aquired rather than being correct in saying they sell it, i dont think they do as a rule, and lastly regardless of how you pump the gun they will dispatch a rabbit, ones ive had were quite powerful and discharge with a good crack, sinking a lead ball a good way into pine board, im not saying they are a 12lbs/ft gun but they are definitly more than that which has been suggested, you could also get a ball mould made so you can make your own ammo, but you would need a melting pot and the shot would be best tumbled afterwards so again it wouldnt be cheap but its not impossible if you are adamant you need an excellentgevaret, and by the way unless im mistaken the AB just means that its a swedish registered company or something like that.
    Ric

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    Yes Ric , been finding out more of them ,both rifles the Excellent and the Bahco were from the same factory , my mate said that the Bahco,s were better quality
    but still by A B Arnheim of Sweden , his are 5.4mm I checked again after Ged,s comments , not sure about the Bahco,s but as you say the Excellents are
    more powerfull ,the law in Sweden must have changed sometime into production .
    Last edited by hawkeye; 03-12-2012 at 07:34 PM.
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