Webley versus Steyr shock!!!!

[Amac]

Not me unfortunately. It would be interesting to see how the firing characteristics of a Wobbly could be changed for the better, not that there is anything wrong with them as standard of course, apart from my Tempest, who is still in the naughty corner awaiting execution.

Maybe we could get Ians "Orca" short stroked as well. The velocity and minimal recoil make the piece pretty accurate as standard. Reckon performance would increase dramatically if he could load those thick elastic bands that postmen leave all over the show. Nobody would be safe then!

Andy

[I. J.]

Not me unfortunately. It would be interesting to see how the firing characteristics of a Wobbly could be changed for the better, not that there is anything wrong with them as standard of course, apart from my Tempest, who is still in the naughty corner awaiting execution.

Maybe we could get Ians "Orca" short stroked as well. The velocity and minimal recoil make the piece pretty accurate as standard. Reckon performance would increase dramatically if he could load those thick elastic bands that postmen leave all over the show. Nobody would be safe then!

Andy

Well, if the execution is by a Tempest owning firing squad - its safe!

I have thought of increasing Orcas power by knotting the elastic bands but whats power without accuracy. 9 out of 10 bulls (Gladys belly) is good enough for me.

ATB
Ian

[Amac]

Yes, but range needs increasing to above 20 yards. That way you will be able to ambush people safe behind cover.

[Abasmajor]

Hello Guy,

Very interesting bit of research. I have never owned an original 'Brummie' Tempest but as you may have gathered from other threads, I am now the proud owner of a new 'Turkish' Tempest. I would have originally preferred it to have been been in .22, but unfortunately this was not to be and I have to admit I am very pleased with the .177 model I now possess. The 'Turkish' Tempest is quite hard, but not unreasonably hard to cock and has I nice little kick which for me anyway is all part of the fun of shooting spring powered air pistols.

Regards

Brian

[ggggr]

I did a bit of tinkering and plinking today and if anybody is interested, this is what I did.
I have a .22 Tempest fitted with a Typhoon spring. I normally shoot with Milbro Caledonian pellets but have used Marksmen recently, which shoot ok but don't seem as good a fit as the Milbros. I did try Some Hobby pellets that John (the back half of Josie and John) sent me and found them to shoot ok.

I found a couple of mainsprings today. One was a broken round section one that came out of a Hurricane (Typhoon spring maybe?) and the other was a squre section spring that went in the gun ok so might be a Hurricane or Tempest one. I collapsed a coil on the broken spring and cleaned it up. I tried it and I seemed to be getting a fair few fliers. The point of impact had moved left as well. I did another coil with similar results. I guess the spring was now 5/8 to 3/4 shorter than standard. The gun did not feel particularly weak and it was easy to cock and the trigger was a bit lighter.
The Hobby pellets seemed best although the grouping was not brilliant.
I then tried the square section spring and the point of impact was also left, so maybe I had knocked the sights. The grouping was better but still not brilliant. The gun was harder to cock.
I went back to the Typhoon spring I had in the gun in the first place and the groupings had tightened up. I adjusted the sights and by the time I wrapped up I had put 6 pellets in a group the size of a bottle cap. I then shot 3 bottle caps. The pistol was shooting a fraction the the right but I left it at that.
I have a feeling that with a .177 rather than the .22 that collapsing 3 or 4 coils on a Typhoon spring might help as the .177 pellet will be lighter and travelling faster than the .22.
I prefer .22 and am happy with my £50 Tempest with the Typhoon spring

updating this ^ so it is in one place and makes it easier for someone to follow.
I got out my nieces Tempest today and fitted the cut down Typhoon spring in it. I gave it a fair old plink. Again I shot 2 handed, partly due to crap arms. not a good paper puncher and to kick off with, the sun was shining on the foresight. Also, the grips on the pistol are a bit wide for me.
I wasn't doing much kop at first but got better as the sun went round. I then started shooting at bottle caps on the ground at 7 1/2 yards. I had to aim in front of them a fraction which is never great or very easy to judge. I hit 24 out of 30. Oddly 4 of the misses (2 lots of 2) were after reset them and did not aim low enough. The other 2 misses were down to my arm being crap. I pulled them to the right.I knew I had missed right away as my arm hurt, which means struggled with the trigger pressure.
After that I had a plink back at the paper. The first 7 shots were ok but not great. Out of the next 12 shots, one was a flier due to a deformed skirt, but as I was shooting ok I thought "what the hell?". The other 11 went into a hole that a 5p piece covered .
So there you have it. I think in .177, just by using a cut down Typhoon mainspring and a bit of work on the trigger (this had only a little done) that you can get pretty good results. The pellets used were Milbro Caledonians.

[zooma]

My .177 Turkish Tempest has now arrived and I put a couple of shots through it before I came home tonight.

I will shoot it some more at the RMTC tomorrow night, but first impressions are:-

1/ that the pistol came in its original box still wrapped in its plastic bag with the handbook and looks like new.

2/ the pistol is harder to cock than my .177 British Tempest, but it had a nice smooth trigger and felt quite good when I shot it.

Tomorrow night at 10 meters on an ISU target is a much tougher test so I will attempt to get it sighted-in and put some more pellets through it, but the pistol feels so "new" and smelt like it was dieseling a little, so I think it may need some time to get "shot-in" before any serious accuracy testing can be made - but it will be shot against my old to get an initial impression at least.

I will try Hobby, Meisterkugeln and GECO to give it its best chance.........unless anyone can suggest a better flat headed match pellet that works better in a .177 Tempest ....?

[Abasmajor]

My .177 Turkish Tempest has now arrived and I put a couple of shots through it before I came home tonight.

I will shoot it some more at the RMTC tomorrow night, but first impressions are:-

1/ that the pistol came in its original box still wrapped in its plastic bag with the handbook and looks like new.

2/ the pistol is harder to cock than my .177 British Tempest, but it had a nice smooth trigger and felt quite good when I shot it.

Tomorrow night at 10 meters on an ISU target is a much tougher test so I will attempt to get it sighted-in and put some more pellets through it, but the pistol feels so "new" and smelt like it was dieseling a little, so I think it may need some time to get "shot-in" before any serious accuracy testing can be made - but it will be shot against my old to get an initial impression at least.

I will try Hobby, Meisterkugeln and GECO to give it its best chance.........unless anyone can suggest a better flat headed match pellet that works better in a .177 Tempest ....?

Hello,

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Turkish 'Tempest compared with the original 'Brummie' pistol.

I think the 'Turkish' pistol must have a stronger mainspring fitted which I believe the original export 'Brummie' models did as it is quite hard to cock.

Mine shoots best as do all my .177 Webleys using H&N 'Match' or RWS 'Hobby' as a cheaper alternative.

Regards

Brian

[zooma]

Hello,

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Turkish 'Tempest compared with the original 'Brummie' pistol.

I think the 'Turkish' pistol must have a stronger mainspring fitted which I believe the original export 'Brummie' models did as it is quite hard to cock.

Mine shoots best as do all my .177 Webleys using H&N 'Match' or RWS 'Hobby' as a cheaper alternative.

Regards

Brian

Hi Brian,

I will let you know as soon as I have been able to give it a fair test.

I think the pistol is pretty close to being brand new and so I will put a tin of pellets through it to let it settle down and stop dieseling before attempting to make any fair accuracy comparisons with my well used BT version.

I can also add the H&N Match pellets to the choice I will test once the pistol is ready for accurate testing - but the new H&N Match aren't as good as the older ones used to be so I am not expecting them to be as good as the RWS types....but you never know.

I do have a tin of H&N pellets from some time ago when they were good - and a tin of the (very similar) Eley Match pellets from the same time period ( very very similar ) so I will try these as well.

The TT is harder to cock than the BT but it did feel smooth so it will be interesting to see the results. The wider trigger on the TT feels better than the narrow one on the BT so I have bought a spare wide trigger and will fit that to the BT sometime as I think it can only improve the feel of the trigger and put both pistols on an equal footing.

[paul404]

My .177 Turkish Tempest has now arrived and I put a couple of shots through it before I came home tonight.

I will shoot it some more at the RMTC tomorrow night, but first impressions are:-

1/ that the pistol came in its original box still wrapped in its plastic bag with the handbook and looks like new.

2/ the pistol is harder to cock than my .177 British Tempest, but it had a nice smooth trigger and felt quite good when I shot it.

Tomorrow night at 10 meters on an ISU target is a much tougher test so I will attempt to get it sighted-in and put some more pellets through it, but the pistol feels so "new" and smelt like it was dieseling a little, so I think it may need some time to get "shot-in" before any serious accuracy testing can be made - but it will be shot against my old to get an initial impression at least.

I will try Hobby, Meisterkugeln and GECO to give it its best chance.........unless anyone can suggest a better flat headed match pellet that works better in a .177 Tempest ....?

Hi Bob I'm not sure about your Tempest but l eventually ended up with R10s in my Premier.
IMHO the Premier is the best shooting Wobbly. I own a Junior, smoothbore no chance, a Senior very poor 3 pin trigger, and a Mk 1, nearly as good as the Prem. I have shot all the later derivatives Temps, Tys, and Hurrys and found them lacking in the engineering quality of their earlier steel antecedents.
Also what evocative names they have compared to the drone like LP 1 lp2 LP ERM 5 etal
I am confident that these pistols will be giving shooting pleasure and FUN to future generations, when my Steyr is a pile of corroded alloy !!
Over to you, rubber band boy!

Hippo

[zooma]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your tip about the R10 ( 4.49 I presume?). I will give them a try next week.

I have a superb boxed F series Premier and would love to target shoot it - but it is a .22. and so far my efforts to find a .177 barrel to fit it have drawn a blank.

One day I will find a .177 barrel to fit it, and when I do I am sure I will enjoy shooting it.

I would also be happy to buy a good .177 Premier if one should come up for sale at a reasonable price.

Keep punching holes in the MPL targets with your Wobbly - it is driving IJ crazy - so it is well worth the effort to keep doing it

Meanwhile I will keep shooting the Turkish Tempest to run it in as it does shoot surprisingly well - but I also know that it does not have the quality feel of the previous Webleys when they were made from steel