Explosives Certificate - Reclassification of blackpowder substitutes

[enfield2band]

Just cant see this. If someone wants to steal your powder just have it away with the box!!! If the box is chained to a bench as my FEO insisted on then a small pair of bolt cutters. I suspect someone has got it round his neck. The spec for the boxes which are sold says nothing about the screws.

It depends on the FEO.
Generally it is:-

Chain it up.
Don't chain it up (so you can throw it out of the window if there is a fire).
Put it in the loft
Don't put it in the loft.
Put it in a cupboard out of sight.
Don't put it in a cupboard.

Anti-tamper screws is a new one for the list.

[Born Again]

Henry Kranks website says you need an explosives licence (UN0499) to buy 777, but not for Pyrodex.

https://www.henrykrank.com/blog/orde...d-and-why.html

[svincett]

Been to Kranks this week

Rang them to see which license was needed , they said bp licence with 026/027

I explained it was triple 7 fffg muzzle loading powder that I had previously purchased from them when it was classified 0161

They said it had to be ordered as they now keep it off site, so it was ordered for the following day to be collected

Following day went to collect it with bp license, they refused to sell it as didn’t have 0499 on bp license

I explained that I had asked it I could get it on my bp license as it was a 40 mile round trip

They said 0499 has to be on my bp ticket , otherwise they can’t sell it !

I said that I understand that which is why I rang them first before hand 😡

They couldn’t understand why I would want triple 7 despite it being a muzzle loading powder for my muzzle loaders

They also said that they wouldn’t buy a second hand gun that had been used with triple 7 !



Rang North Yorkshire Police and they said I need to apply to have 0499 put on my bp license

[series2a]

Been to Kranks this week

Rang them to see which license was needed , they said bp licence with 026/027

I explained it was triple 7 fffg muzzle loading powder that I had previously purchased from them when it was classified 0161

They said it had to be ordered as they now keep it off site, so it was ordered for the following day to be collected

Following day went to collect it with bp license, they refused to sell it as didn’t have 0499 on bp license

I explained that I had asked it I could get it on my bp license as it was a 40 mile round trip

They said 0499 has to be on my bp ticket , otherwise they can’t sell it !

I said that I understand that which is why I rang them first before hand 😡

They couldn’t understand why I would want triple 7 despite it being a muzzle loading powder for my muzzle loaders

They also said that they wouldn’t buy a second hand gun that had been used with triple 7 !



Rang North Yorkshire Police and they said I need to apply to have 0499 put on my bp license

Kranks Useless as usual see my post on them. AVOID

[DesG]

It depends on the FEO.
Generally it is:-

Chain it up.
Don't chain it up (so you can throw it out of the window if there is a fire).
Put it in the loft
Don't put it in the loft.
Put it in a cupboard out of sight.
Don't put it in a cupboard.

Anti-tamper screws is a new one for the list.

I make them and sell them on the bay. When a different feo came to do my renewal a year back I showed him the 15 bp boxes ready for sale and he couldn't understand why I had used anti tamper screws. I told him that his colleague insisted on them and his response was "oh him!"

All very helpful!

I've sold well over a hundred of them Europe wide with no problems from any of the forces.

[ZAKDINGEL]

I have never loaded Black powder so at the moment no need for a ticket ==but what I cant understand is why put a explosive into a sealed container surly its far safer to be stored on a self in a cool place out of sight then if there was a fire "god forbid" it would burn up quickly rather than be contained --your just storing a bomb when its boxed

[bighit]

I have never loaded Black powder so at the moment no need for a ticket ==but what I cant understand is why put a explosive into a sealed container surly its far safer to be stored on a self in a cool place out of sight then if there was a fire "god forbid" it would burn up quickly rather than be contained --your just storing a bomb when its boxed

The longer it takes for the fire to get to it the more time you have to get away from it.

[HarrisK]

A little light bedtime reading from the HSE regarding powder storage, rules changed Jan 1st 2021, enjoy yourselves



https://www.hse.gov.uk/explosives/li...rage/index.htm

[BaskervilleDog]

A little light bedtime reading from the HSE regarding powder storage, rules changed Jan 1st 2021, enjoy yourselves



https://www.hse.gov.uk/explosives/li...rage/index.htm

Wow! who needs to count sheep now?

[Abasmajor]

I decided to include an application for an explosive certificate as part of my recent FAC renewal and consequently sourced a compliant wooden box for storage of 777 which I use quite a lot in my BP revolvers. The FEO visit went smoothly and the FEO couldn't have been more helpful while taking a look at my storage cupboard and box. The certificate was free of charge and will cover the purchase and storage of my powders without too much additional effort.
Maybe all police forces are not so sympathetic or helpful, but my relations with Sussex Police have always been friendly and efficient.

Brian

[LiamPullman]

I saw that this thread is a couple of years old, but I'll still share my thoughts. It's always important to stay up-to-date on any changes in regulations and requirements when it comes to explosives and firearms. Thanks for sharing this info about blackpowder substitutes and the new classification.It's good to know that some sellers are taking the necessary precautions. Speaking of substitutes, have you ever used titegroup powder before? It's a popular choice among reloaders and can work well for certain types of rounds. Thanks for sharing this info, and happy shooting!

[enfield2band]

I have never loaded Black powder so at the moment no need for a ticket ==but what I cant understand is why put a explosive into a sealed container surly its far safer to be stored on a self in a cool place out of sight then if there was a fire "god forbid" it would burn up quickly rather than be contained --your just storing a bomb when its boxed

Blackpowder is an explosive. it will explode if in a fire.

Smokeless powder is not. It burns fiercely if in a fire.

Storing blackpowder in a box is so the occupants have time to vacate the premises before it explodes if there is a fire.

When the BP box was first introduced, like you, I thought it would be a potential bomb. I wrote to the HSE, Explosives, to express my concern. They explained the reason to me and then it made sense. If I recall correctly in their tests it took approximately 18 minutes for the fire to ignite the blackpowder. (Ample time to vacate the premises). The time, obviously, is dependent on the fierceness of the fire in relation to the location of the BP.

[DesG]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr991.pdf

This is the HSE blackpowder storage test results. The video of it is very good.

[loiner1965]

what will happen to all who have 777 at home without a bp licence ?
looks like those who dont shoot have made the laws to those that do lol.......another cock up

[enfield2band]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr991.pdf

This is the HSE blackpowder storage test results. The video of it is very good.

Thanks for the pdf it is interesting.
When I wrote to them it was when the storage of blackpowder was proposed. In their reply they briefly outlined the test and the reason for it. It seems they have done more research into it and more information is now available.
It does surprise me that they did not use the plastic canisters BP comes in. The substitutes they used might be a different grade of plastic that is more heat resistant and may be thicker walled and not give a completely accurate result.