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    That makes two of us! But, we'll figure something out.

    Jim

    Hi Jim, don't know how rules have changed for Co2, but we shot 30rds for PP1 with C/F pistols. The method you suggest for timing is excellent. If you've got a willing partner to use a stop watch and whistle, even better. Or maybe we should leave them to their household chores

    My 2 cents of advise is this. Whether you're using an 8 shot or 10 shot mag, shoot 6 then reload. On the first stage if you shoot 8 or 10 you loose your momentum. Always know how many you've shot. Subconcsiously count them, after a while you do this automatically. Nothing more embarrassing than hearing bang, bang, bang, click. The shooter feels and looks a bit unprofessional.

    This Tuesday evening I'm going to the range, I'll grab some reduced size PP1 and Service Pistol targets, photo them and post here.


    Oh, nearly forgot, practice, practice, practice


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    This is not an attempt to high-Jack the thread, just more information for those who may be interested.


    Course of fire as run at Bisley Phoenix


    Firearm
    Any 6 shot or more pistol

    Sights
    Any sights

    Distance

    15mtr 10mtr 7mtr

    Position
    Standing, unsupported

    Ready Position

    Pistol loaded and made ready pointing towards ground at an angle
    of 45 degrees. During practice 2 and 3 competitors are to return to
    the ready position between exposures.

    Course of fire

    30 Shots
    The competition is conducted in three consecutive courses;


    Practice 1

    15mtr
    12 shots in 1 minute, to include a reload

    Practice 2

    10mtr
    12 shots in strings of 6. The target will make 6 appearances of 2 seconds with intervals of about 5 seconds. One shot to be fired at each appearance. This practice is shot twice. RO to allow time for reload

    Practice 3
    7mtr

    6 shots. The target will make 3 appearances of 2 seconds with intervals of about 5 seconds. Two shots only to be fired at each appearance. Strong hand only.



    Good luck. Posting target pictures soon.

    atb Phil
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    Now, if I ain't made a complete balls-up there should be some pictures of targets. The small black and white one is the target used at the Bisley shoot.



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    Jim, if you want to pm me your address I will post some off to you in a tube for you to photocopy/play with is sunny America. These are now 'respectable' targets having been computer altered so as to look less human. I'd not very PC to shoot 'human' targets in competition



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    Thanks for your input Phil.
    Nice one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil G View Post
    Now, if I ain't made a complete balls-up there should be some pictures of targets. The small black and white one is the target used at the Bisley shoot.



    http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...z/IMG_0494.jpg
    http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...z/IMG_0495.jpg
    http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...z/IMG_0496.jpg



    Jim, if you want to pm me your address I will post some off to you in a tube for you to photocopy/play with is sunny America. These are now 'respectable' targets having been computer altered so as to look less human. I'd not very PC to shoot 'human' targets in competition



    atb Phil
    The targets came out fine, Phil.

    I have no personal objections to human targets - after all, we're supposed to be shooting at criminals - but I'd rather use a more politically correct target, if it will get us less flack / more participants.

    Here's my address:

    James McArthur
    5721 Magazine Street
    New Orleans, LA 70115 USA

    Thanks!


    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil G View Post
    This is not an attempt to high-Jack the thread, just more information for those who may be interested.


    Course of fire as run at Bisley Phoenix


    Firearm
    Any 6 shot or more pistol

    Sights
    Any sights

    Distance

    15mtr 10mtr 7mtr

    Position
    Standing, unsupported

    Ready Position

    Pistol loaded and made ready pointing towards ground at an angle
    of 45 degrees. During practice 2 and 3 competitors are to return to
    the ready position between exposures.

    Course of fire

    30 Shots
    The competition is conducted in three consecutive courses;


    Practice 1

    15mtr
    12 shots in 1 minute, to include a reload

    Practice 2

    10mtr
    12 shots in strings of 6. The target will make 6 appearances of 2 seconds with intervals of about 5 seconds. One shot to be fired at each appearance. This practice is shot twice. RO to allow time for reload

    Practice 3

    6 shots. The target will make 3 appearances of 2 seconds with intervals of about 5 seconds. Two shots only to be fired at each appearance. Strong hand only.



    Good luck. Posting target pictures soon.

    atb Phil

    I believe we can do something almost-exactly like that, Phil: with the exception that we'd need to use shorter distances (6 yards on all stages: or at most, 10 yards on the first two stages, then 6 on the 3rd stage).

    Third stage "strong hand only"! Now that would be tough, and would inject some real-realism into it ("you've been shot in your weak arm, and your opponent's right on top of you!") I'll go with that, if our competitors want to!

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil G View Post

    Hi Jim, don't know how rules have changed for Co2, but we shot 30rds for PP1 with C/F pistols. The method you suggest for timing is excellent. If you've got a willing partner to use a stop watch and whistle, even better. Or maybe we should leave them to their household chores

    My 2 cents of advise is this. Whether you're using an 8 shot or 10 shot mag, shoot 6 then reload. On the first stage if you shoot 8 or 10 you loose your momentum. Always know how many you've shot. Subconcsiously count them, after a while you do this automatically. Nothing more embarrassing than hearing bang, bang, bang, click. The shooter feels and looks a bit unprofessional.

    This Tuesday evening I'm going to the range, I'll grab some reduced size PP1 and Service Pistol targets, photo them and post here.


    Oh, nearly forgot, practice, practice, practice


    atb Phil





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    I'm inclining toward a 6-shot load, Phil: more closely simulates centerfire realities. In any case, the rule will be that you can load only the number of shots permitted in that particular string: then you have to reload. No "high capacity guns", no "extra shots in case one malfunctions."

    I also favor a short range (6 yards), since some members are VERRRRY restricted in the amount of space available: having to shoot indoors, or in a postage stamp backyard or alley.

    As you say: go with absolute simplicity in terns of logistics. I want this shoot to be for the same sort of blokes who are already shooting in our BBS comps that PAD E. and POLLYTHEDOG are running: just average pistol plinker guys with a CO2 repeater and a few paces of space. I would rather leave the club shooters, with their long ranges and sophisticated electrical turning target systems, to run a separate competition. God love 'em, I wish that I had access to such a set-up, but I just don't, and I suspect most of our potential competitors don't either.

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim McArthur View Post
    I'm inclining toward a 6-shot load, Phil: more closely simulates centerfire realities. In any case, the rule will be that you can load only the number of shots permitted in that particular string: then you have to reload. No "high capacity guns", no "extra shots in case one malfunctions."

    I also favor a short range (6 yards), since some members are VERRRRY restricted in the amount of space available: having to shoot indoors, or in a postage stamp backyard or alley.

    As you say: go with absolute simplicity in terns of logistics. I want this shoot to be for the same sort of blokes who are already shooting in our BBS comps that PAD E. and POLLYTHEDOG are running: just average pistol plinker guys with a CO2 repeater and a few paces of space. I would rather leave the club shooters, with their long ranges and sophisticated electrical turning target systems, to run a separate competition. God love 'em, I wish that I had access to such a set-up, but I just don't, and I suspect most of our potential competitors don't either.

    Jim

    With you 100% Jim. There is no doubt 6yds would be good. I can't see anything wrong in shooting it all at 6yds. Like many I have restrictions for back-yard shooting, like ZERO . We have two very young Foster children in the house and the family next door have two young children as well.

    In the three years living here I've discharged about a dozen air pellets in the garden, only to get a bollocking from my dear wife.

    I fear if I do it again I might be living in the shed in the previous picture and quite honestly with winter coming it could be cold in there.

    Fortunately I have a bloody big workshop where I can play with myself

    I went to the club last night to sight-in the S&W. This target was shot at 10mtrs 33 feet?. It was shot double action only with the pistol butt resting on the control box. I've always believed these are accurate pistols and even free-hand they can all go in the black.

    One or two on here might recognise the range, the first person to identify the range can have a good ol' slap across the chops for being so smart

    Jim, I've got the targets rolled up and ready to post off to you in the morning, best to allow 7-10 days to arrive.

    atb Phil

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    I'll be looking for them, Phil. Thank you!

    Jim
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    AND, we're getting closer to launching the Competition! I plan to start it in October, and set it for the second and third weekend of each month.

    Stay tuned for further announcements.

    Jim
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    Hey Jim
    What a Street address for a mamber of the UBC, MAGAZINE STREET.
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    Very true! You'd have loved my old address as well: NAPOLEON! Always brought a chuckle from cannon buffs, since American Civil War-era 12 pounder smoothbores were nicknamed "Napoleons". But they were named after Napoleon III.

    Some of the streets in my neighborhood are named after Napoleon I's battles: Jena, Marengo...

    Jim
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