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    Quote Originally Posted by Shed tuner View Post
    ...too light also robs power, as the piston lacks inertia....
    Inertia is a property of a stationary mass, Jon. A moving mass like a piston has momentum, and too light a piston reduces momentum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTDT View Post
    Inertia is a property of a stationary mass, Jon. A moving mass like a piston has momentum, and too light a piston reduces momentum.
    Not quite. Splitting hairs, inertia is the tendency of an object to remain in the same state, either stationary or in uniform motion, resisting change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born Again View Post
    Not quite. Splitting hairs, inertia is the tendency of an object to remain in the same state, either stationary or in uniform motion, resisting change.
    To really split hairs, inertia is a property of a moving mass only if that movement is uniform, which the piston is not - it's either accelerating or decelerating (apart from an instant before it bounces).

    The important point is that it is the reduced momentum of the lighter weight piston that makes it less able to overcome opposition from the compressed air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTDT View Post
    To really split hairs, inertia is a property of a moving mass only if that movement is uniform, which the piston is not - it's either accelerating or decelerating (apart from an instant before it bounces).

    The important point is that it is the reduced momentum of the lighter weight piston that makes it less able to overcome opposition from the compressed air.
    As momentum is a simple function of mass and velocity, it could be argued that the reduced inertia, and thus higher attained velocity of a lighter piston would give it enough momentum to compress the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTDT View Post
    Inertia is a property of a stationary mass, Jon. A moving mass like a piston has momentum, and too light a piston reduces momentum.
    Quote Originally Posted by BTDT View Post
    To really split hairs, inertia is a property of a moving mass only if that movement is uniform, which the piston is not - it's either accelerating or decelerating (apart from an instant before it bounces).

    The important point is that it is the reduced momentum of the lighter weight piston that makes it less able to overcome opposition from the compressed air.
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    I would like to experiment with a metal top hat to increase weight but don't how much one would weigh. Any rough Ideas for a 25-26 mm cylinder?

    I'll be coy about which gun I'm thinking of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dornfelderliebe View Post
    I would like to experiment with a metal top hat to increase weight but don't how much one would weigh. Any rough Ideas for a 25-26 mm cylinder?

    I'll be coy about which gun I'm thinking of.
    Just man up and admit it's a an HW
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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    Just man up and admit it's a an HW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dornfelderliebe View Post
    I would like to experiment with a metal top hat to increase weight but don't how much one would weigh. Any rough Ideas for a 25-26 mm cylinder?

    I'll be coy about which gun I'm thinking of.
    Your meteor needs a piston mass of around 180g all up. Weigh it and add weight to suit
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shed tuner View Post
    Your meteor needs a piston mass of around 180g all up. Weigh it and add weight to suit
    Thank you and un bon point* to John.

    * As my French teacher used to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTDT View Post
    Inertia is a property of a stationary mass, Jon. A moving mass like a piston has momentum, and too light a piston reduces momentum.
    picky picky.. I've misssed you Jim

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Again View Post
    Not quite. Splitting hairs, inertia is the tendency of an object to remain in the same state, either stationary or in uniform motion, resisting change.
    You are my friend. Not like Jim
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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