How tight? - Spring Guide & Top Hat

[phil384]

Call me old fashioned but why do people have to spend money making rifles smoother to fire?

Why aren't the manufacturers making better fitting top hats, spring guides, better finished springs etc etc?

It's not like AA or HW are budget air rifles!

[Rickenbacker]

Call me old fashioned but why do people have to spend money making rifles smoother to fire?

Why aren't the manufacturers making better fitting top hats, spring guides, better finished springs etc etc?

It's not like AA or HW are budget air rifles!

I must be fair, I bought a brand new '97K the other week - and it had a proper finished spring, no swarf inside, not much of a twang either...

It also had no steel piston sleeve (the old ones did), a bit of scuffing on the cylinder, a sloppy guide, a creepy trigger, and that horrible yellow waxy HW grease that makes the whole thing feel harsh, and as dry as an Arab's dap...

I mean, I do agree with you, you shouldn't need to finesse a new gun... but it helps...

[TonyL]

I must be fair, I bought a brand new '97K the other week - and it had a proper finished spring, no swarf inside, not much of a twang either...

It also had no steel piston sleeve (the old ones did).

You kept that one quiet, Phil. Well done.

Chinese Barry, one of my bike customers who came to the April Bash on the Sunday afternoon, brought his new 97 and that was also twang free and very, very nice.


I've never personally seen an ex- factory gun with a piston sleeve, Phil.

[Rickenbacker]

You kept that one quiet, Phil. Well done.

Chinese Barry, one of my bike customers who came to the April Bash on the Sunday afternoon, brought his new 97 and that was also twang free and very, very nice.


I've never personally seen an ex- factory gun with a piston sleeve, Phil.

Aye, silver one with the black stock Tone.

Bits of it are in three guns now. These two actions: http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/u...psi2oiia8c.jpg

And I made meself a 'Black mamba'! http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/u...pseypwubwl.jpg



I thought the early '77s had a steel piston liner Tone. A few of mine did, and I think others have said they did though, don't they though...

[TonyL]

Aye, silver one with the black stock Tone.

Bits of it are in three guns now. These two actions: http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/u...psi2oiia8c.jpg

And I made meself a 'Black mamba'! http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/u...pseypwubwl.jpg



I thought the early '77s had a steel piston liner Tone. A few of mine did, and I think others have said they did though, don't they though...

Ooo-er, your "Black Mamba" looks very, very nice, young Phil.

25mm internals, then?

I've not worked on gazillions of them, Phil, maybe a handful or so and I've never known one to have a liner as standard.

Earlier 95s did have them, but I understand later ones don't. The same might apply to the 98?

[Rickenbacker]

Ooo-er, your "Black Mamba" looks very, very nice, young Phil.

25mm internals, then?

I've not worked on gazillions of them, Phil, maybe a handful or so and I've never known one to have a liner as standard.

Earlier 95s did have them, but I understand later ones don't. The same might apply to the 98?

Cheers Tone.

This one is going to be my target-y gun. 25mm piston at present, but I've bought the full-on TbT short stroke and kit for the 26mm internals, and if it works well with the standard TP, who knows - it might be going back in there.

And yep, I think you're right about the piston liners Tone. Sorry, I must have been confusing myself with the HW95s...

[TonyL]

Looking lovely, Phil.

[rabbitslayer]

Call me old fashioned but why do people have to spend money making rifles smoother to fire?

Why aren't the manufacturers making better fitting top hats, spring guides, better finished springs etc etc?

It's not like AA or HW are budget air rifles!

I don't disagree with you but then again, I guess no matter how good a mass produced gun is there will always be room for improvement. I'm only going down this route because the HW80 isn't the best at non FAC levels. So why buy the 80?... because I had one years ago and I wanted one again, only now it's much easier to make them shoot better.

[Rickenbacker]

I don't disagree with you but then again, I guess no matter how good a mass produced gun is there will always be room for improvement. I'm only going down this route because the HW80 isn't the best at non FAC levels. So why buy the 80?... because I had one years ago and I wanted one again, only now it's much easier to make them shoot better.

Yep. Particularly with a shorter stroke.