Webley versus Steyr shock!!!!

[I. J.]

Just sitting here in smug mode.

[Gerard]

Just sitting here in smug mode.

Feeling a wee bit lonesome are we, hmmmm?

[Amac]

He is feeling smug Gerard because my own Wobbly Tempest failed to perform this evening unfortunately. For whatever reason, and believe me a couple of us tried our best, we couldn't get a zero. Interestingly, the gun is very consistent over the chrono, but if you cant hit anything, well, what can I say?

Ians "Orca" semi automatic pistol was much more accurate tonight. He was shooting it at all and sundry. Its very accurate for an elastic band gun I must say. Just needs some more work on the stock and it could go into production. Me, I will stick to the Wobbly Mk1 and Premier which are clearly far superior to the Tempest I hate to say. The BSA Magnum I was using was a different matter though. Take a look at the other thread for a quick summary of that guns good performance.

(Awaits tirade from Ian Jones)

Andy

[I. J.]

Tirade!

Happy now?

[zooma]

Don't give up on your Tempest - there are plenty of good results being displayed here on the BBS that have been shot with the Wobbly Tempest so yours is not typical and just needs some attention.

Your next visit to RMTC can include some time with my .177 Tempest - no problem getting that one zeroed-in on the 10 meter target - come and try it for yourself.

Don't go all wobbly with your Tempest

[Amac]

Not me unfortunately. It would be interesting to see how the firing characteristics of a Wobbly could be changed for the better, not that there is anything wrong with them as standard of course, apart from my Tempest, who is still in the naughty corner awaiting execution.

Maybe we could get Ians "Orca" short stroked as well. The velocity and minimal recoil make the piece pretty accurate as standard. Reckon performance would increase dramatically if he could load those thick elastic bands that postmen leave all over the show. Nobody would be safe then!

Andy

[I. J.]

Not me unfortunately. It would be interesting to see how the firing characteristics of a Wobbly could be changed for the better, not that there is anything wrong with them as standard of course, apart from my Tempest, who is still in the naughty corner awaiting execution.

Maybe we could get Ians "Orca" short stroked as well. The velocity and minimal recoil make the piece pretty accurate as standard. Reckon performance would increase dramatically if he could load those thick elastic bands that postmen leave all over the show. Nobody would be safe then!

Andy

Well, if the execution is by a Tempest owning firing squad - its safe!

I have thought of increasing Orcas power by knotting the elastic bands but whats power without accuracy. 9 out of 10 bulls (Gladys belly) is good enough for me.

ATB
Ian

[Amac]

Interesting thoughts Guy! I wonder if Hippo could even manage a decent group with a Junior though. Put it this way, he would probably still outshoot the rest of us using his own smoothbore. It would indeed be interesting to short stroke a Wobbly!

Andy

[Gerard]

This talk of a target Tempest, as unlikely as it seems (my .22" is in brilliant shape with a great new spring and good seals), has got me thinking of how to adapt the recoil absorber design of my new Pardini K12 to a Webley pistol. It seems simple enough; a polished tungsten cylinder in a matching tube behind the breech, with a small hole going back from the transfer port to this tungsten rod and blasting it rearward at the same moment the pellet goes forward. It damps recoil utterly. If one could turn out such a thing to fit a Tempest, the dynamics would be different obviously, as the problematic mass is moving rearward and is significantly larger/heavier than a pellet. Still, if a quarter to a fifth or so of the airflow could be directed forward at the moment of firing it might be enough to counteract that rearward hammering of the piston somewhat, if not completely. Heck, to achieve accuracy it may even be worth sacrificing 1/2 to 1/3 of the airflow with a larger port.

Looking at my Tempest it seems the hole in the nitrile breech seal is about 3mm diameter. If one were to bore in from the right hand side of the transfer port block (side opposite the barrel catch lever) into that port starting with a 1.5mm or so drill, then graft on as un-ugly a cylinder as one can come up with to the outside of the pistol in front of that area and connect the two with a threaded coupling (short brass tube, threaded at one end and snugly tapped into the aluminum sight block, soldered to the rear of the cylinder at the other end), it just might work to vent 'surplus' air forward and push a cylinder with it, countering the forward recoil native to the pistol. The threaded coupling could be increased gradually in scale until achieving the desired balance. And if it all fails, well, just make a threaded aluminum bolt to fill the hole, to the right length so as to leave the inside face of the transfer port drilling relatively intact, and loctite that into place, filing off the outer surface and painting it black as if nothing had happened. If it worked the cylinder could be finished to more or less match the pistol's style and affixed to the right side of the aluminum frame however one preferred. I'd probably go with a single tab at the front end of the housing with a hole for a short bolt into the aluminum cylinder housing. And to make the anti-recoil weight (bronze rod perhaps, in a black delrin cylinder? tungsten is expensive and hard to work with common tools) maintainable one could make a front cap threaded into place, with a larger hole of course to allow the cylinder to move freely forward.