Why don't Air Arms make break barrels?

[Rapidnick]

Sorry, Muskett, would have to disagree.

There are many, many "full power" break barrels out there that have absolutely zero issues with bent barrels. And, especially with a more pricey, premium product that will attract users exhibiting safe gun handling skills - although this should apply to all guns, of course.

Many break barrel springers are easy to use accurately and are forgiving to shoot.

I really think there would be a very receptive market for a top-end, high quality all-British break barrel. And if they developed, say, three different length latch rods to suit our market, higher and lower power markets, it would attract global buyers.

You might be right but I suspect most of us are quite happy with HW springers to the extent that they don't want an underlever. AA are interested in PROFIT not vanity and their experience with break barrel isn't good.
By the way you do realise that the barrels on Air arms rifles are German? Already one important component -possibly THE most important-of a 'British' rifle is a 'German' barrel.

[Clanchief]

You might be right but I suspect most of us are quite happy with HW springers to the extent that they don't want an underlever. AA are interested in PROFIT not vanity and their experience with break barrel isn't good.
By the way you do realise that the barrels on Air arms rifles are German? Already one important component -possibly THE most important-of a 'British' rifle is a 'German' barrel.

So it would resemble Triggers broom, a German Barrel, Turkish Walnut stock, and a British action with a Swedish spring maybe, Jap optics calling it made in Britain might be a tough one.

Would there be anything left for us to do to tinker and make it individual, think the closest that has come out over here is the Longbow.

Remember a horse designed by a committee is a Camel, what would you call a break barrel springer designed by this threads posters ?

[oneseven]

So it would resemble Triggers broom, a German Barrel, Turkish Walnut stock, and a British action with a Swedish spring maybe, Jap optics calling it made in Britain might be a tough one.

Would there be anything left for us to do to tinker and make it individual, think the closest that has come out over here is the Longbow.

Remember a horse designed by a committee is a Camel, what would you call a break barrel springer designed by this threads posters ?

Just like a Daystate then!

[look no hands]

So it would resemble Triggers broom, a German Barrel, Turkish Walnut stock, and a British action with a Swedish spring maybe, Jap optics calling it made in Britain might be a tough one.

The stocks are made in Italy if I remember correctly and the "Turkish" bit is the wood itself, like "English Walnut" and "American walnut", in the beginning Air Arms used Custom stocks in Sheffield to supply their stocks (including other makers like Theoben and Daystate), I'm sure Air Arms could obtain their barrels from BSA, if they wanted to keep their "made in Britain" label but are BSA barrels as accurate as German barrels, at the end of the day if it's assembled over here and giving someone a job then that's what counts in my eyes, it's companies like Webley or should we say AGS who buy a British company and then rip it apart and have everything made abroad, that's why I say we should all be buying British but then like I've already said how can AA compete against HW's product range or even Diana or Gamo but if they can make one decent break barrel rifle and convert it simply by changing the latch rod for different powers levels then it may well work, considering they only really have the TX and PS in the range as well.

Pete

[Geezer]

The stocks are made in Italy if I remember correctly and the "Turkish" bit is the wood itself, like "English Walnut" and "American walnut", in the beginning Air Arms used Custom stocks in Sheffield to supply their stocks (including other makers like Theoben and Daystate), I'm sure Air Arms could obtain their barrels from BSA, if they wanted to keep their "made in Britain" label but are BSA barrels as accurate as German barrels, at the end of the day if it's assembled over here and giving someone a job then that's what counts in my eyes, it's companies like Webley or should we say AGS who buy a British company and then rip it apart and have everything made abroad, that's why I say we should all be buying British but then like I've already said how can AA compete against HW's product range or even Diana or Gamo but if they can make one decent break barrel rifle and convert it simply by changing the latch rod for different powers levels then it may well work, considering they only really have the TX and PS in the range as well.

Pete

From the interweb, below. It's on the ball about the UK Sale of Goods Act.

A lot of highly priced Italian clothing, for example, is actually made in the developing world, but the buttons are sewn on in Italy. At least that's what I have heard.


"_ Where is the country of origin?
Goods are deemed to have been manufactured or produced in the country in which they last underwent a treatment or process resulting in a substantial change.
The term "substantial change'1 is not defined in the Act, although an Order made under it explicitly states that the process of silver-plating stainless-steel cutlery does not constitute a "substantial change". Generally, therefore, the meaning of this phrase is left to the trader to determine, but it would ultimately be for a court to decide, taking account of an ordinary person's perception of the circumstances surrounding the individual case, whether the particular country or place specified is indeed where the last substantial change took place. For example, placing a finished product into a container or outer box or carrying out a simple finishing process on a product would probably not be considered to be substantially changing the nature of the product. On the other hand. creating a garment from cloth, albeit imported. would be likely to be considered to result in such a change. If you are in doubt about where your goods originate, you should consult your local Trading Standards Office, or seek legal advice.

It should be emphasised that it is not just country of origin statements which may mislead. Statements about a town, county or region, etc are also covered by the Act, as are any other statements about origin."

[oneseven]

So it would resemble Triggers broom, a German Barrel, Turkish Walnut stock, and a British action with a Swedish spring maybe, Jap optics calling it made in Britain might be a tough one.

Would there be anything left for us to do to tinker and make it individual, think the closest that has come out over here is the Longbow.

Remember a horse designed by a committee is a Camel, what would you call a break barrel springer designed by this threads posters ?

Just like a Daystate then!

[Clanchief]

Perhaps then Hans could do us a U.K. run of 95's in a nice factory walnut stock, it would be a HW 95E Karbine "TT",,,,,,,,,(which with the special piston kit from you know who is short for Tinbum Trophy)

I'll have two, one in the usual and one in .20.

[John doe]

You might be right but I suspect most of us are quite happy with HW springers to the extent that they don't want an underlever. AA are interested in PROFIT not vanity and their experience with break barrel isn't good.
By the way you do realise that the barrels on Air arms rifles are German? Already one important component -possibly THE most important-of a 'British' rifle is a 'German' barrel.

Interesting, what was the problem with there break barrel rifle when it did come to market? I bet they are quite thin on the ground? Any idea when they went out of production?

JD

[Rapidnick]

Interesting, what was the problem with there break barrel rifle when it did come to market? I bet they are quite thin on the ground? Any idea when they went out of production?

JD

Every shooter who has owned or shot a Pro Elite has his own view. Mine is that the rifle was just so heavy that it made the Weihrauch HW80 seem a lightweight. Even at FAC power levels it still didn't compete with the HW80 in the USA.

[Barryg]

Every shooter who has owned or shot a Pro Elite has his own view. Mine is that the rifle was just so heavy that it made the Weihrauch HW80 seem a lightweight. Even at FAC power levels it still didn't compete with the HW80 in the USA.

About 15 years ago I had a choice the Pro Elite that was being sold of cheap or the 80 and I played safe went for the 80 a few years later I played safe and went for the TX

What could AA manufacture that would please break barrel fans that is not already there.