Information for sellers

[CrystalPistal]

Most that say that do stipulate that they would prefer a face to face,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, it is the buyer who decides to risk the post with "their" goods because they cannot meet the sellers standards

[harvey_s]

Most that say that do stipulate that they would prefer a face to face,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, it is the buyer who decides to risk the post with "their" goods because they cannot meet the sellers standards

Absolute rubbish!... No-one is forcing the seller to post the item!
The only thing getting the item in the post is the desire of the seller to obtain a sale.
Many start off preferring a F2F and who could blame them, but when no-one wants to drive over to Middle Dogdirt to collect it - the seller has 2 choices : withdraw the item and maybe try again later or accept an offer including postage.
Either way it's the sellers decision to post and the seller is responsible for the item until its reached the buyer.
This supported by law.

The only exceptions to this would be a clear acceptance in writing BEFOREHAND by the purchaser that any loss or damage would be theirs to bear or if the buyer arranged their own collection.

[Rob Edge]

Absolute rubbish!... No-one is forcing the seller to post the item!
The only thing getting the item in the post is the desire of the seller to obtain a sale.
Many start off preferring a F2F and who could blame them, but when no-one wants to drive over to Middle Dogdirt to collect it - the seller has 2 choices : withdraw the item and maybe try again later or accept an offer including postage.
Either way it's the sellers decision to post and the seller is responsible for the item until its reached the buyer.
This supported by law.

The only exceptions to this would be a clear acceptance in writing BEFOREHAND by the purchaser that any loss or damage would be theirs to bear or if the buyer arranged their own collection.

Correct. I might add that adequate insurance cover for the replacement or refund would be recommended because it is the sellers item until it is received and the purchaser is protected by law.

[Rapidnick]

I'm glad this has come up. I've often been amazed at adverts where the seller seems to assume that his item is SO desirable that a buyer will move heaven and earth to acquire it. Of course we all want the buyer to do everything. Pay first, drive to pick it up etc etc and that is what happens most of the time. In the case of heavy items and those of exceptional value travel to pick up is clearly the preferred option. However if you do post it is up to you to pack well and post by a method agreed by the buyer.
If it is any comfort I have posted and received hundreds of items over the years and-touch wood-I have never had any problems with items I have sent.

[lensman57]

I'm glad this has come up. I've often been amazed at adverts where the seller seems to assume that his item is SO desirable that a buyer will move heaven and earth to acquire it. Of course we all want the buyer to do everything. Pay first, drive to pick it up etc etc and that is what happens most of the time. In the case of heavy items and those of exceptional value travel to pick up is clearly the preferred option. However if you do post it is up to you to pack well and post by a method agreed by the buyer.
If it is any comfort I have posted and received hundreds of items over the years and-touch wood-I have never had any problems with items I have sent.

A round trip from Manchester to London area and back is the equivalent of 10 gallons of petrol with all the mororway hold ups. That will easily add another £55.00 to the cost of the item plus the fact that nowadays unless a peson is well retired there is really no such thing as a weekend so finding a suitable time to arrange the viewing and the sale is another obstacle. I really have no solution to this TBH but I am just highlighting the difficulties of getting from A to B.
I have a small lathe that I am going to sell but even this small lathe with all its accessories weights more than 40 Kilos so pick up really is the only choice .

A.G

[CrystalPistal]

Good debate but lets agree to disagree not gonna rant on but the only consumer law that applies to private sales is "as described" and if some heavy handed numpty smashed your expensive rifle or whatever you wouldnt be pleased and as for the cost of fuel blah blah ....pshhhhh, if you want it go get it, if not dont.... the seller is not responsible for the buyers logistical problems

[LESS THAN FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

I'm always wary of using the post either to buy or sell. It's not the money if it goes missing, it's the hassle involved. If it's a very long way, I always suggest a meet halfway. I've done this several times. Often though, you just have to take a chance and use post if it's something you really want. I've missed many a gun because the seller would not post, but eventually, something always turns up.

Regarding the law. What if you buy off a private seller on evilbay and you don't receive the goods? I'm sure there is a way you can get your money back (via paypal if you use that method of payment). So if you buy a gun on here and use paypal to pay, I'm sure you should be covered and get your payment back off paypal. Or is it not covered if you send it "family and friends"?

[Rob Edge]

Good debate but lets agree to disagree not gonna rant on but the only consumer law that applies to private sales is "as described" and if some heavy handed numpty smashed your expensive rifle or whatever you wouldnt be pleased and as for the cost of fuel blah blah ....pshhhhh, if you want it go get it, if not dont.... the seller is not responsible for the buyers logistical problems

Remind me never to buy from you then. For your information you could still be sued if the goods where not as described or fit for purpose even if it was a private sale. It would be a civil case and would result in a CCJ.

[charub]

A round trip from Manchester to London area and back is the equivalent of 10 gallons of petrol with all the mororway hold ups. That will easily add another £55.00 to the cost of the item plus the fact that nowadays unless a peson is well retired there is really no such thing as a weekend so finding a suitable time to arrange the viewing and the sale is another obstacle. I really have no solution to this TBH but I am just highlighting the difficulties of getting from A to B.
I have a small lathe that I am going to sell but even this small lathe with all its accessories weights more than 40 Kilos so pick up really is the only choice .

A.G

Paletforce will be able to move the lathe. They will take anything that fits on a pallet. Last time I moved something, it weighed over 100kg and cost me £70

[speedthing]

Really for an expensive Air Rifle your looking to send through an RFD to be safe. Think the last time i sent RFD to RFD it was £25 and the guy had to pay £25 his end so it cost him £50 in total.
The last time i bought a Rife i drove to Reading for a really nice AA S400 nearly new paid £200 for it and was well worth the 80 mile round trip.

[secretagentmole]

Absolute rubbish!... No-one is forcing the seller to post the item!
The only thing getting the item in the post is the desire of the seller to obtain a sale.
Many start off preferring a F2F and who could blame them, but when no-one wants to drive over to Middle Dogdirt to collect it - the seller has 2 choices : withdraw the item and maybe try again later or accept an offer including postage.
Either way it's the sellers decision to post and the seller is responsible for the item until its reached the buyer.
This supported by law.

The only exceptions to this would be a clear acceptance in writing BEFOREHAND by the purchaser that any loss or damage would be theirs to bear or if the buyer arranged their own collection.

Rubbish! If the buyer wants the gun enough then they will drive, from our home in West Norfolk we have travelled to Manchester (Rapid Mk 1), Gloucester (BSA Super 10), Lake District (Daystate X2) and the Midlands on numerous occasions to buy guns. The simple reason being it is a nice day out and we do not trust the post over much either!

[Rapidnick]

Rubbish! If the buyer wants the gun enough then they will drive, from our home in West Norfolk we have travelled to Manchester (Rapid Mk 1), Gloucester (BSA Super 10), Lake District (Daystate X2) and the Midlands on numerous occasions to buy guns. The simple reason being it is a nice day out and we do not trust the post over much either!

All I can say to this is the item has to be really attractive for me to consider driving any real distance. I certainly have done so on many occasions but in every case I have really wanted the item(s) either because the price was so attractive or the item was so desirable. Otherwise I'll deal on the basis that the item is posted by a method mutually agreed. If we cannot agree-which happens surprisingly rarely-I'll just leave it.

[secretagentmole]

All I can say to this is the item has to be really attractive for me to consider driving any real distance. I certainly have done so on many occasions but in every case I have really wanted the item(s) either because the price was so attractive or the item was so desirable.

Precisely!

[harvey_s]

Rubbish! If the buyer wants the gun enough then they will drive, from our home in West Norfolk we have travelled to Manchester (Rapid Mk 1), Gloucester (BSA Super 10), Lake District (Daystate X2) and the Midlands on numerous occasions to buy guns. The simple reason being it is a nice day out and we do not trust the post over much either!

Why is it rubbish?

I did put "BUT when no-one wants to drive over" ... And presumably you aren't buying every gun offered for sale!

I would also suggest that you are in a minority and the majority of people will be put off by distance, time and cost UNLESS the item is rare, high-value or collectable.

I have also driven large distances for the 'right' item on numerous occasions as being in central Norfolk myself we are in the arse end of the country and usually a significant distance away from everything!... But for the majority of my purchases on here the factors above DO play a significant part in my purchasing decision.

[bighit]

i have seen ads where the seller has stated if the items do not arrive then tough shit . or words to that affect .

No responsibility if not delivered.

won't see me buying of this guy . will take your money and say tough poop if it does not arrive .