What is the best break-barrel springer available today?

[look no hands]

Well if all the criterias are observed then the only rifle is the LGV, All the HWs will need tuning/sorting and some don't have open sights (like the 98), the LGV covers everything asked for.

Pete

[tinbum]

The HW80 or Air Arms Pro Elite with reduced stroke or diamater are the best break barrels imo.

However, I have been searching for a viable alternative to the HW95 in standard (ish) guise for an everymans gun.

Many have tried, so far all have failed.

[Weasle]

The HW80 or Air Arms Pro Elite with reduced stroke or diamater are the best break barrels imo.

However, I have been searching for a viable alternative to the HW95 in standard (ish) guise for an everymans gun.

Many have tried, so far all have failed.

Mr Bum

I have both of the above with the reduced bore V-Mach conversion - 80 and Pro Elite.

The reduced bore conversions are in a class of their own!

I also have a 98 & 80 with reduced stroke - which come a very close second, although my ProSport is rather sweet as well straight from the box apart from TB guide and top hat.

I'm trying to fettle a TX 200HC to get near to the above.....as yet it doesn't.

[Shed tuner]

Mr Bum

I have both of the above with the reduced bore V-Mach conversion - 80 and Pro Elite.

The reduced bore conversions are in a class of their own!

I also have a 98 & 80 with reduced stroke - which come a very close second, although my ProSport is rather sweet as well straight from the box apart from TB guide and top hat.

I'm trying to fettle a TX 200HC to get near to the above.....as yet it doesn't.

You are clearly a man of taste I have a 25mm Pro Elite and a 24mm HW80 - love them both. And a reduced stroke 85 (proper old school 95) - also excellent.

For the HC, the tune is simple.. Throw away the heavy piston weight, and reduce the piston itself to around 200g. Get a longer latch rod made up (ISP do them) and set the stroke for 86mm (if .177, std mk2 83mm for .22). To make it a little softer, sleeve the trans port down from 3.8 to 3.4, or shorten it. If you have the lathe skills, a new piston nose and an HW seal is the icing on the cake (but needs to be done before you trim the piston rod). Trust me, that'll put it into the right zone

Finally, whilst no springer, the HW90 is a great shooter. I do worry slightly about the trigger, but no more so that the Walther's. It's just not Rekord / CD class.

[bozz]

Hi i have not got a Walther LGV, but i have got the LGU and comparing the LGU and the AA TX200 that i have just obtained (Which has had the piston guide and top hat replaced with close fitting delrin ones) that the LGU is still the better to shoot, They both can be De-cocked quite easily and are both very accurate. But if you still want to go Break Barrel then i think the LGV. Don't forget that there are also the LGV's stable mates (The Century smooth but a bit more kick from that 30mm innards, the Terrus not quite as well tuned but a lot cheaper, Classus a bit higher in price but like the LGV and Terrus can be got with open sights. The LGV and Century both benefit from the fantastic barrel lock up system, So there is no need to hit the barrel to open it and when it is shut it is rock steady no droop. The only down side is the trigger but after a few minuets polishing the sears the setting up all is well.
As you might notice i am a fan of Walther.

All the best with your choice the one thing to note is its "YOUR CHOICE" hold some shoot some if you can enjoy the chase of a new gun.

All the best Graham.

[Weasle]

You are clearly a man of taste I have a 25mm Pro Elite and a 24mm HW80 - love them both. And a reduced stroke 85 (proper old school 95) - also excellent.

For the HC, the tune is simple.. Throw away the heavy piston weight, and reduce the piston itself to around 200g. Get a longer latch rod made up (ISP do them) and set the stroke for 86mm (if .177, std mk2 83mm for .22). To make it a little softer, sleeve the trans port down from 3.8 to 3.4, or shorten it. If you have the lathe skills, a new piston nose and an HW seal is the icing on the cake (but needs to be done before you trim the piston rod). Trust me, that'll put it into the right zone

Finally, whilst no springer, the HW90 is a great shooter. I do worry slightly about the trigger, but no more so that the Walther's. It's just not Rekord / CD class.

Hi John

Many thanks for your tips on my TX200HC 0.177

I have fitted a Mk 2 Piston, factory Mk2 spring, TB spring guide and Top Hat and fitted a standard AA Seal - I was using a V-Mach seal previously.

This morning the change in feel of the TX, just by changing to a standard AA seal was unbelievable compared to the set up using the V-Mach seal.

I shall continue with the journey by reducing the piston weight and making the mods to the TP.

Cheers Steve

[Shed tuner]

Hi John

Many thanks for your tips on my TX200HC 0.177

I have fitted a Mk 2 Piston, factory Mk2 spring, TB spring guide and Top Hat and fitted a standard AA Seal - I was using a V-Mach seal previously.

This morning the change in feel of the TX, just by changing to a standard AA seal was unbelievable compared to the set up using the V-Mach seal.

I shall continue with the journey by reducing the piston weight and making the mods to the TP.

Cheers Steve

OK, good. If you still find it a little "harsh" after the weight loss and TP mod, then the last thing guaranteed to soften it even more is to increase the stroke 3 mm... just soften the loctiite holding the piston rod in, remove and clean up the (m10) threads, then reinstall the rod deeper into the piston, i.e. with 3mm poking out the front - then trim off this excess, loctite into position, job done

[Weasle]

OK, good. If you still find it a little "harsh" after the weight loss and TP mod, then the last thing guaranteed to soften it even more is to increase the stroke 3 mm... just soften the loctiite holding the piston rod in, remove and clean up the (m10) threads, then reinstall the rod deeper into the piston, i.e. with 3mm poking out the front - then trim off this excess, loctite into position, job done

Many thanks...Will do.

Cheers Steve

[robs5230]

The HW80 or Air Arms Pro Elite with reduced stroke or diamater are the best break barrels imo.

However, I have been searching for a viable alternative to the HW95 in standard (ish) guise for an everymans gun.

Many have tried, so far all have failed.

Its out there. The MK1 85

[tinbum]

Its out there. The MK1 85

And if it were available today it would be the top contender.

Unless the Fenman was available too.....

[robs5230]

And if it were available today it would be the top contender.

Unless the Fenman was available too.....

Fenman aint no springer (well unless I get hold of one again)

[maximus]

Out of the box no twang to fettle then you need to look at the walthers, Diana gas ram or a HW90 gas ram. All the HW spring powered rifles need tweeks to sort but will be great once done, maybe buy one already tuned from somewhere like Sandwell field sports.

[Yokel]

HW80, 95, 98, 99, 30, in that order.

Man of few words.

[tinbum]

Well if all the criterias are observed then the only rifle is the LGV, All the HWs will need tuning/sorting and some don't have open sights (like the 98), the LGV covers everything asked for.

Pete

Thankfully it is a preference, not a criterion. Therefore we can erase that Hippocrocopig from our list.

[robhw97k]

Does every weirauch need tuning ect straight out the box ???,i read lots saying weirauch is poorly put together these days and need this that n tother doing to it,its a brand new rifle why would it need tuning straight out the box ???.