Is there room for CO2 in target/competition pistol shooting

[Gregory]

I give up! Co2 is great everybody should shoot Co2 anyone that doesnt is a show off. I'm off down the pub this aft to get the barman to fill up my lungs with the stuff and I'm off to spit pellets out from now on.

Hoo f*kn ray!

[magicniner]

I give up! Co2 is great everybody should shoot Co2 anyone that doesnt is a show off. I'm off down the pub this aft to get the barman to fill up my lungs with the stuff and I'm off to spit pellets out from now on.

Hoo f*kn ray!

Oh go on,
Keep it going, it's no fun without some unfounded opinions and invalid comparisons with cars which rusted & shed their subframes
Regards,
Nick

[Old Fart]

Nah, I've had enough

I used to have a Mini which had a rotten subframe though...honestly

[Gregory]

Oh go on,
Keep it going, it's no fun without some unfounded opinions and invalid comparisons with cars which rusted & shed their subframes
Regards,
Nick

nope my minds made up, co2 is the way foward, who needs a decent pistol engineered by german / austrian experts, when I can have an ex soviet pistol made out of a lump of russian tractor iron and powered by fart gas.

Magicniner you dont really have the best arguments, though I have to admit that I dont necessarily need a decent weapon to shoot 8's if thats the sum total of your submissions then well done you win.

[The Doctor]

The original post stated the question 'Is there room for CO2 in target/competition pistol shooting?' - the basic answer, and I did say the the co2 fan boys would be along to defend their position, is 'no' - if it were the case, why were there no co2 pistols at the World Cup in Fort Benning, or were the world's elite shooters not made aware that co2 is the way to go?

If you are a club shooter knocking in 520 ish, well done, good on ya - if you want to cut it against the top shooters in the world, then you need to be on the same playing field, and this, I am afraid, you won't be doing with old technology. Of course, the shooter does come into the equation, but the equipment helps.

Lee

[Old Fart]

Lee,

This is just for me to know...what is your average....and what division do you shoot in

Are you really a world class shooter or a wanabee?

[The Doctor]

Lee,

This is just for me to know...what is your average....and what division do you shoot in

Are you really a world class shooter or a wanabee?

My current average in practice sits between 570 and 574 - competition is around 560 - 564 with my Pb being at Bisley earlier in the year with a 564. I wouldn't say a world class shooter, we don't have any in this country now - most are quite happy sitting behind a computer singing the praises of old technology, the good old days and the like.....

Just so you know, like

Lee

[Old Fart]

I had to laugh at your reply, but you must suffer from nerves though, probably worried if a Co2 shooter beats you.

Competition shooting is good but you need the correct mental state and just let it happen.

It's a good laugh on here.

[derekm]

Between 10 and about 22 degrees there ís no temperature issue for sure..And thats a cheapo Tau 7..
Temperature issues are só exagerrated!! They're nót crosmans, you know!
Near zero, than you might start to see some poi shift. Bút:
- thats what yr test shots are for, few clicks, solved
- is it surely the gun? I dont shoot well around zero either..
- pcp will react at these temps as well
99% of the CO2 matchpistols use cilinders. So shotcount is NOT an issue. Just fill up before a match. Thats what you do with pcp isnt it so why not with co2??
Filling CO2 cilinders is no problem at all. You can use simple fire bottles, or restaurant CO2 bottles.
ONLY issue in some countries, is the data on the cilinders. Bút thats equally true for older pcp's.
Another issue is changing weight/balance when co2 empties.

I really dont understand; they shot worldrecords with co2, won medals etc. Than why on EARTH should wé, normal shooting humans, nééd pcp?? We dont..We might wánt pcp, but dont nééd it.. If those pistols are good enough for world record, they're surely good enough for us normal match shooters arent they?
CO2 is by FAR good enough.

WOT E SED

I give up! Co2 is great everybody should shoot Co2 anyone that doesnt is a show off. I'm off down the pub this aft to get the barman to fill up my lungs with the stuff and I'm off to spit pellets out from now on.

Hoo f*kn ray!

Sounds like you don't know much about decent beer either, if you want it serving with CO2!

Though my averages are very humble, my next pistol may well be a Steyr; but it will be CO2. As hwtyger says, it won't make any difference up to the highest level, and my £8 3kilo refill at home will last me forever. Why spend £200+ on a bottle and charging gear. Why have the club spend £2k to £3k on a compressor?

Those who want the latest, greatest, fine, but why knock perfectly good equipment and it's owners?

Not all CO2 target guns are rustic Russians.

The humble Tau is surprisingly good...... . (though not Russian)

[Gregory]

Your right. Im such an a hole. Next year I will be on the lookout for old soviet pistols on the start line at the mens air pistol finals. Whoops no silly me they are only shot by old bores in dusty old clubs.

As for beer I'm more of a vodka man. thats one soviet export I'm happy to recommend.

and before you kick off about how effin good they are tell me which of the major manufactorers ie fwb, ahg, walther, steyr still make them?

bam your turn boyo.

[derekm]

Does it matter BOYO if CO2 versions of world class target pistols are still made or not? The mechanicals of the last CO2s are the same as the first PCPs in many, if not mostcases.

They are still exquisite pieces of precision engineering that will perform to far higher standards than you, me, or practically any member of the shooting fraternity.

By your logic it would appear that mechanical triggers are also rustic old hat and anything less than the 2011 model electronic unit is past it.

Don't bother trolling any more, your sarcasm is less than amusing.

[Gregory]

shame thought you were up for it with your "dont know anything about beer either" remark, obviously you can give but not take it. Still I know the type we all do.

yes your right when the shooting community which is based around precision instruments moves on and adopts electronic triggers or in fact anything that improves performance then not moving with them makes you a loser. This is a technical sport and every advantage counts, no matter what your performance level if it is improved by adopting new technology you have adopted a loser mentality by not adopting it.

The major companies gave up on co2 as it was not good enough. It just isnt that is it. it is not stable enough to provide the power source that precision demands.

Next time your whining to your mates about why Britain doesnt win anything in the pistol events, take out your fart gas gun and have a good luck at it and the mentality that accompanies it "this is good enough for me, I dont shoot that well anyway".

Your right though, I'm sick of myself. Sorry if my sarcasm offends it is a weapon which is becoming old and therefore inappropriate. You may now have the last word, I'm tired of this thread and low grade arguments.

go back to shooting your cards old timers.

[derekm]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Boring troll.

[The Doctor]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Boring troll.

I am sorry but I agree with Gregory's sentiment completely - I see this attitude all too often at club and squad level, and Derek I must say your attitude is clearly testament to this - can I point out that the OP asked 'is there space in competitive (and I emphasize competitive) pistol shooting' and the simple answer is no - look at the entries to the last 8 years of world cups if you don't believe me - guess what, no CO2 - so either the 'Dad's Army' pistol shooters of this country know something everyone else doesn't OR the 'it will do for me mentality because I only do xy or z' is rife,

And I won't be taking any requests to stop 'trolling' because my opinion differs from yours seriously - I would expect you to respect anyone's opinion as they would yours without resorting to bad language!

Lee