wad size

[lostcat]

how much black power or sub do you use,

I buy sheets of compressed 3mm thick cork,a few ft square at a time,does a few thousand for £5.
I made the cutter but a bought one should do the same.
In a drill press set so it doesn't quite go all the way through.cut about 15 then pop them out.
take mabe 5 mins to do 100.
around 20 grns equivalant by volume 777 (13.5 ish grns by weight) with one wad in an old uberti NMA.
That was measured though to give 2mm compression with the lever to the stop so that would be the minimum charge,

[tacfoley]

I buy sheets of compressed 3mm thick cork,a few ft square at a time,does a few thousand for £5.
I made the cutter but a bought one should do the same.
In a drill press set so it doesn't quite go all the way through.cut about 15 then pop them out.
take mabe 5 mins to do 100.
around 20 grns equivalant by volume 777 (13.5 ish grns by weight) with one wad in an old uberti NMA.
That was measured though to give 2mm compression with the lever to the stop so that would be the minimum charge,

Tell us how that works for you? According to Hodgdons own tables, 13.5gr of Triple 7 is equal to 15.5gr of FFFg - that, Sir, is a VERY low load for a .44calibre revolver, and verging on the 'do not do this' low limit.
I'm am genuinely concerned, so please put me right.

tac

[NickHarvey]

I've been shooting 15 grains of Swiss 2 in a Hege Remington since 2005. Apart from the scorers complaining about the ragged hole it works extremely well. They have a habit of going exactly where I point it, all I need to do now is point it where I want them to go...

Having said that, I do use Sainsburys semolina (it does make a difference) so that the ball sits just below the face of the cylinder and the amount of lube invoved is miniscule. In fact, I've been using a syringe with a needle to add water pump grease for years as well. To complicate matters, I'm now trying a heavier load and am trying 23 grains of Swiss 2 and giving E45 a go too. It does do a much neater hole and groups quite well.

I bought a 36 Remington made by Andy Baumkircher when I was in Austria in August and realised that what he's done is adjust the length of the ram to do exactly as I described above. At full stroke, the ball only just clears the cylinder face. If you compare it to a standard ram, the standard one would push the ball halfway down!

[jennings]

Whats the difference with the semolina? I've being using Whitworths as it's available at most supermarkets and I found that by measuring into phials before loading I can get the balls seated at the same depth.
ROA, 20 grains Swiss 2(measured phials), cast ball from what ever lead I can source, home made felt wad lubed with 60/40 lard Bees wax(same mix for my Martini lube) and I'm getting pretty good results.
No problems with fouling and comes up clean after a putting into an ultrasonic cleaner.

[gtpkeeper]

Whats the difference with the semolina? I've being using Whitworths as it's available at most supermarkets and I found that by measuring into phials before loading I can get the balls seated at the same depth.
ROA, 20 grains Swiss 2(measured phials), cast ball from what ever lead I can source, home made felt wad lubed with 60/40 lard Bees wax(same mix for my Martini lube) and I'm getting pretty good results.
No problems with fouling and comes up clean after a putting into an ultrasonic cleaner.

i use the whitworths,was using measure phials also, so was taking to the range ,30 selmonolina phials same with bp.
now just bring tub of semolina an spoon, 20gr bp then fill to the top with selmonolina press ball down,


wife was telling me that asda do a kilo bag corase somolina £1.38 so might give that a try

[tacfoley]

I've been shooting 15 grains of Swiss 2 in a Hege Remington since 2005. Apart from the scorers complaining about the ragged hole it works extremely well. They have a habit of going exactly where I point it, all I need to do now is point it where I want them to go...

Having said that, I do use Sainsburys semolina (it does make a difference) so that the ball sits just below the face of the cylinder and the amount of lube invoved is miniscule. In fact, I've been using a syringe with a needle to add water pump grease for years as well. To complicate matters, I'm now trying a heavier load and am trying 23 grains of Swiss 2 and giving E45 a go too. It does do a much neater hole and groups quite well.

I bought a 36 Remington made by Andy Baumkircher when I was in Austria in August and realised that what he's done is adjust the length of the ram to do exactly as I described above. At full stroke, the ball only just clears the cylinder face. If you compare it to a standard ram, the standard one would push the ball halfway down!

Thank you for that information.

Where I shoot we don't have scorers, only shooters. Guess we're doing something wrong there, eh? If my shooting got complaints from anybody else with regard to the neatness or lack of it of the bullet hole, they'd be advised to take up a less-taxing form of relaxation.

tac

[NickHarvey]

My reply to anyone who complains about the neatness of the holes or the size of the group is that it's not the job of the shooter to make life easy for the scorer!

As to the question about the semolina, I've tried a number of different types and found that the Sainsburys has the right amount of granualrity so it flows and allows a degree of compression under the ball. Some of the others are a little too fine and floury so they don't flow out of the phials very well.

[jennings]

Off to Sainsburys it is then and will give it a try Saturday morning.

[lostcat]

Tell us how that works for you? According to Hodgdons own tables, 13.5gr of Triple 7 is equal to 15.5gr of FFFg - that, Sir, is a VERY low load for a .44calibre revolver, and verging on the 'do not do this' low limit.
I'm am genuinely concerned, so please put me right.

tac

Thankyou for your concern,not sure where the confusion lies.
Probably 13.5grns of 777 by weight as I stated is not equal to 15.5grn of FFFG by volume.
777 has a density of only 73% equivilant to FFFG BP. then there is the -15% due to 777 giving higher pressure.
100 grns volume of 777 weighs 73grns.
I have no concerns as I have researched and tested findings of many charts and tables but it is a valid point.

[jennings]

I took the ROA out yesterday and tried the different types of semolina, couldn't find any noticeable difference.No residue was left in the phials and I couldn't see any difference on fowling. One of the club guys with far more experience with BP than myself said that he had heard that the granules in the Sainsbury semolina were of a more uniform size.
What I did try was some Henry Kranks fine powder and that seemed to create far more smoke than I usually get with Swiss no 2.That was with both of the types of semolina.

[gtpkeeper]

found no diff either ,
so now i use the phials for bp [30], and take a tub of semolina, and a 5ml spoon ,and add it once iam at the range,
e45 for the .44 remington found is would be better if little more firmer,

[DesG]

Thankyou for your concern,not sure where the confusion lies.
Probably 13.5grns of 777 by weight as I stated is not equal to 15.5grn of FFFG by volume.
777 has a density of only 73% equivilant to FFFG BP. then there is the -15% due to 777 giving higher pressure.
100 grns volume of 777 weighs 73grns.
I have no concerns as I have researched and tested findings of many charts and tables but it is a valid point.

Well I'm now totally confused. 13.5 grams equals roughly 216grains and certainly not 15.5grains. Grams and grains are units of weight, not volume. 100 grains cannot ever equal 73grains whatever it's made of!

[DesG]

Thankyou for your concern,not sure where the confusion lies.
Probably 13.5grns of 777 by weight as I stated is not equal to 15.5grn of FFFG by volume.
777 has a density of only 73% equivilant to FFFG BP. then there is the -15% due to 777 giving higher pressure.
100 grns volume of 777 weighs 73grns.
I have no concerns as I have researched and tested findings of many charts and tables but it is a valid point.

Well I'm now totally confused. Grams and grains are units of weight, not volume. 100 grains cannot ever equal 73grains whatever it's made of!