MTC Mamba

[Gary C]

how about a mamba without the ir....just a thought

The basic design has no I/R and our budgeting and pricing was based on non-I/R. Unbelievable as it seems our aim is to provide better value for UK customers so we added I/R, Mounts and sunshade out of our margin to provide the best VFM. To add 3 more skus is not practical and in all honesty the vast majority appreciate the I/R as an option.

Remember that the vast majority of shooters are sheep and would sooner have a big name brand that's junk than one of ours. We are Johnny nobody and as such the shops wont stock their shelves with our goods hence the reason for a limited product range.

Lloyd of B.A.R and Tony Belas have been invaluable to us in helping with design input and forecasting

[C3PO_1]

The basic design has no I/R and our budgeting and pricing was based on non-I/R. Unbelievable as it seems our aim is to provide better value for UK customers so we added I/R, Mounts and sunshade out of our margin to provide the best VFM. To add 3 more skus is not practical and in all honesty the vast majority appreciate the I/R as an option.

Remember that the vast majority of shooters are sheep and would sooner have a big name brand that's junk than one of ours. We are Johnny nobody and as such the shops wont stock their shelves with our goods hence the reason for a limited product range.

Lloyd of B.A.R and Tony Belas have been invaluable to us in helping with design input and forecasting

Hi Gary ... I'd admire your focus and commitment to the customer, particularly as it is costing you £££s on the margin front! I'll pay dividends I'm sure.

I suppose it is inevitable that people are going to go with big name brands because their minds it is those that are "tried and tested" by market forces. Maybe some do buy junk but I suspect they look through them first and hope that they're not!

I'm surprised by the attitude of the shops because in terms of media focus, you get some get great attention in write-ups in lots of magazines. What's been the attitude of the American market? That's where the big bucks will be.

Like anything, it all boils down to advertising and marketing largely when it comes to shifting gear [as long as the product is at least good] and the big companies can afford to do that.

Have you ever thought about doing a promo video for your products and sticking it on YouTube (the tricky bit will be filming through the scope, but it's not impossible). Maybe base it around a hunting trip or something, to give it a bit of narrative. What's the most popular pellet / bullet choice today -- perhaps some kind of deal to stick a circular paper advert on the inside of the tin / bullet box. Just thinking aloud about getting exposure...

[CHUNK.]

Most folk couldnt tell the difference between a good lower priced scope and a megabucks one, myself included. A mate showed me his new 600 quid Bushnell which was to go on his HMR. As much as it looked ok, i couldnt see a bit of difference optically from one of mine.
I know theres a bit of pride of ownership with something expensive, but personally i`d sooner pay for a top quality underdog. Spend the difference on bullets.

[Baldie]

Sorry Baldie - but do you mean the digital (ASPro for instance) adapter is thinner in 'depth of mount' OR thinner so can accommodate larger diameter eye-bells ?

Depth of mount. I don't know this, I've been told.

I established the Cobra Merlin DSA requires 33mm (but can be moved back upto 15mm or so). That's with the short lens blind.

The ASPro mount measured as 32mm from NV lens to mount lip...so I assume you mean the ability to fit wider or larger eyebells?

The distance between the front part of the fast focus eyebell adjustment ring, and the ramp for the detachable IR isn't long enough to accomodate a Merlin DSA ring.

I had (from another project) a modified plastic adapter ring with a missing segment that should have allowed the DSA to go over the ramp, but it didn't. If I 'forced it', the mount would have gone on, but the DSA wouldn't have been on square. The corners of the ramp just foul the I/D of the cage. If I were told the ramps were solid, I'd have happily filed them smaller (and lost the warranty obviously.) But having access to the scope would have been worth it. [They really are great!]

Best solution is a modified cage. I'm investigating this.

[sniper22]

baz, i can only echo your remarks about the 1.5-6x42 mamba, i got mine yesterday from blackpool air rifles for £119.95. absolutley delighted with it. iv eused zeiss, leupold and a few others but im amazed a the bang for the buck value of the scopes gary has brough to us.i put it on my lite w8fx and it does exactly what needed it to do, aim and shoot quickly.
its the 3rd viper i have bought and it wont be the last.

[sniper22]

Shouldn't that be...

"Eee oop Baz lad, them there Mombers in't arf bad tha knows, me whippett looked through wun and ee could see em's pigeons like from t'ut foot of our stairs even when eatin a black puddin tha knows ee oop!"

fark orff ya suvvern softy, me old cock sparrer and no mistake, pie n mash, jellied eels (in my best dick van dyke stylee)

them scopes are pukka cushty me old mukka

[baz]

To be honest I think the optics compare very favourably with those in some very big name scopes as you say Tony, a pleasure to look through

And for any firearms boys the best Foxing scope I have ever used, I reckon this model would also make a superb ratting scope

Or cushty mush, fer FA wonga

[sniperallen]

After looking at some pics of the Mamba, i noticed the side parallax does not have the range etched but just numbers ie 1,2,3.

Is this correct or am i not reading the the pictures correctly.

[lspdog]

i think you must be looking at the model without side pa? the numbers will be the side ir control.

[sniper22]

Having used most of the range I would agree with you Baz, quality kit but under priced if you ask me!

? englisch ?

avin yoozed moastodda range blah blah blah creepy crawley bum licky baz slurp slurp

[sniper22]

it doesnt matter wether your from north or south jamie, the scopes are very good - agreed?

[baz]

Having used most of the range I would agree with you Baz, quality kit but under priced if you ask me!

I think you are dead right Jamie, people dont seem to be able to get their heads around the fact these scopes are better than some that people have paid three times the amount for, so they may pooh pah them for that reason, even worse if they get to look through one as they then feel gutted

I can honestly say that MTC scopes changed my opinion about scopes from the big names, I sold three Leupolds off my own rifles over a couple of months and I aint regretted it

[sniper22]

the red dot is better thwn my laser too because tufty cant see it near him in the branches but i can see it in my scope.

[lspdog]

I have the 3-12x44 Mamba and initial findings are superb!

Out of the box you get just what we have come to expect from MTC , a solid well built scope with all the extra's thrown in. Worthy of a mention are the new spec scope mounts...you would pay at least £25 to get mounts of this quality and they even have tape in the rings so the scope doesn't get marked.

Optics are bright and clear as with the Viper range ( same glass ) and i have opted for the 4A German ret which so far still has me smiling it has already accounted for 1 woodie & 1 squirrel today

I have bought this scope with a view to using it with my Merlin & Laser NV combo due to the low level turrets and can so far confirm that the cage will fit. I used electrical tape to build up the eye piece to the same height as the knurled fast focus ring and also provide a snug fit. The cage does not slide all the way on due to the raised IR "lip" but is only about 5mm shy.

I hope to get out and use the scope and NV tomorrow night so i'll let you know how i get on.

I know this has been said before but its true , when you open the box you are looking at a scope that can comfortably hold its own when compared to scopes 2 & 3 times its cost ( £184 ) and you don't have to spend even more cash getting quality mounts and metal flip up's!

Not had chance to use the IR in anger yet but can say it is very subtle on the dot , even on maximum setting it is nice and crisp with no blurring.

Another winner for MTC i think.

Cheers
Simon.

[lspdog]

Hi Ian

yes it has the ridge but not right up to the fast focus ring , from the end of the scope to the ridge is about 22mm.

Rain stopped play last night as regards actually getting out with the NV , but i am happy that the Merlin is mounted very securely so not considered taking the stanley knife to the adapter rings yet!

The IR is connected via 3 chunky "pins" , which push fit very snuggly into the body of the scope. I really like this addition and the illuminated dot ret has already paid dividends when shooting squirrels/pigeons in trees

Cheers
Simon.