All metal internals vs as much plastic you can get in a springer

[Captain Bongo]

Why do Diana insist on pressing/folding/forcing metal roughly into shape rather than actually machining it?

[Barryg]

Why do Diana insist on pressing/folding/forcing metal roughly into shape rather than actually machining it?

The answer is strength and to reduce weight there are parts that are better machined like the one piece compression tube.


The almost unbreakable box section cocking link don't get the HW problem




Machined parts

[T 20]

Why do Diana insist on pressing/folding/forcing metal roughly into shape rather than actually machining it?

It's because they're shit, Steve --- do try to keep up with the thread old chap.

[tinbum]

It's because they're shit, Steve --- do try to keep up with the thread old chap.

Diana eh? Maz had one of those once.....

[T 20]

Diana eh? Maz had one of those once.....

At least he doesn't go on about it, week in week out, Nick.

[Barryg]

It's because they're shit, Steve --- do try to keep up with the thread old chap.

It's so easy to use the word shit about something when you don't have to discuss and prove what you are saying, is your idea of shit a stronger cocking link that don't break compared with a quality link that does break and a machined one piece compression tube that can't leak compared to two piece tubes that can leak ?

Is this your idea of quality plastic and more plastic

[T 20]

It's so easy to use the word shit about something when you don't have to discuss and prove what you are saying, is your idea of shit a stronger cocking link that don't break compared with a quality link that does break and a machined one piece compression tube that can't leak compared to two piece tubes that can leak ?

I use the word shit when a manufacturer has a well documented history of making out of round Pistons, Pistons that fail and release the latchrod, cocking arms which fail so frequently that they have to change the design, substandard barrels made in China, plastic trigger components, drooping barrel etc etc etc --- I don't need to prove any of this as it's been well documented by yourself both here and on the DWC.

The compression tube you hold so dear I view as a cost cutting exersise to save on machining costs giving no realistic advantage over well made two piece compression tubes.

And after fifty years of trying Diana still haven't come up with a trigger to equal a Rekord, true they've come up with one that's easy to strip, but that's only to save folks time in changing out the broken Sears which you have shown us.

[Barryg]

I use the word shit when a manufacturer has a well documented history of making out of round Pistons, Pistons that fail and release the latchrod, cocking arms which fail so frequently that they have to change the design, substandard barrels made in China, plastic trigger components, drooping barrel etc etc etc --- I don't need to prove any of this as it's been well documented by yourself both here and on the DWC.

The compression tube you hold so dear I view as a cost cutting exersise to save on machining costs giving no realistic advantage over well made two piece compression tubes.

And after fifty years of trying Diana still haven't come up with a trigger to equal a Rekord, true they've come up with one that's easy to strip, but that's only to save folks time in changing out the broken Sears which you have shown us.

OK Mick instead of replying to that distorted nonsense I offer you a CHALLENGE I might be fun and interesting and I will try to be honest and perhaps you will be also

The challenge is we go through my 460 component by component muzzles to butt pad and you (and anyone else) point out what you think is shit. It might settle the Diana quality and design thing on the bbs as long as we try to be reasonably honest

So Mick do you accept ? If you do I will start with what I think is the weakest link the muzzles

[bighit]

OK Mick instead of replying to that distorted nonsense I offer you a CHALLENGE I might be fun and interesting and I will try to be honest and perhaps you will be also

The challenge is we go through my 460 component by component mussel to butt pad and you (and anyone else) point out what you think is shit. It might settle the Diana quality and design thing on the bbs as long as we try to be reasonably honest

So Mick do you accept ? If you do I will start with what I think is the weakest link the mussel

Is the mussel a new addition? My rifles have muzzles. Does a mussel make it shoot better ? Are they Bulgarian mussel's ? Oh no they can't be Bulgarian as that's fake news is it not ?



No I don't want to post pics or prove I'm right. Why get so cheesed off when people point out faults ? There is more important things to get upset about in life.

[Barryg]

No I don't want to post pics or prove I'm right. Why get so cheesed off when people point out faults ? There is more important things to get upset about in life.

That's just because you cant you don't know enough. This is a airgun forum where we discuss airguns not the important things in life

[T 20]

OK Mick instead of replying to that distorted nonsense I offer you a CHALLENGE I might be fun and interesting and I will try to be honest and perhaps you will be also

The challenge is we go through my 460 component by component mussel to butt pad and you (and anyone else) point out what you think is shit. It might settle the Diana quality and design thing on the bbs as long as we try to be reasonably honest

So Mick do you accept ? If you do I will start with what I think is the weakest link the mussel

We're buggered before we start, Barry, the 460 comb is too low for scope use with my tired old eyes so I've lost interest in it already, besides which I'm more than happy to accept your many previous posts highlighting Diana's shortcomings coupled with my own views on my shit D54 and D52 to form my own opinions.

[Barryg]

We're buggered before we start, Barry, the 460 comb is too low for scope use with my tired old eyes so I've lost interest in it already, besides which I'm more than happy to accept your many previous posts highlighting Diana's shortcomings coupled with my own views on my shit D54 and D52 to form my own opinions.

To be honest I don't have a very high opinion of the later 52/54 although the old T01 was OK. But the challenge is for you or anyone else (except bighit as he has more important things in life ) to look at the 460 pictures component by component and point out parts that are genuinely shit and why because quoting old posts are mostly just bad experiences that you can get with all guns.
So if you genuinely think that the 460 is shit accept the challenge we both might learn something or do you think that just because the comb is to low for you personally that is the definition of a shit gun lol

[Barryg]

The compression tube you hold so dear I view as a cost cutting exersise to save on machining costs giving no realistic advantage over well made two piece compression tubes.

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Mick can you explain why you view a one piece compression tube machined from a solid bar that cannot leak is a cost cutting exercise

[hmangphilly]

Mick can you explain why you view a one piece compression tube machined from a solid bar that cannot leak is a cost cutting exercise

Blimey do they really hog the comp tube out of solid ?

why would you do that ?

[Barryg]

Blimey do they really hog the comp tube out of solid ?

why would you do that ?

How else can you make a one piece comp tube

If you have a one piece steel spring guide say for a 80 it would be made from a 30 mil. bar.

There are plenty of threads talking about leaking two piece comp tubes