Any idea how many licences have been issued in Scotland

[GoodWILLHunting]

Have heard a few up north are not happy with BASC's ' leave well alone ' attitude ..seems after the event , its a case of get used to it or take up fishing instead . So say they were in at the deep end during negotiations but nothing firm has come out from all the 'talk' it seems . Unless they diverted a ban outright possibly . Today a balls up legal situation where the Scots have to apply for a Licence thats not really a Licence for stupidly obvious reasons yet are bound by some of the same legal constraints as SGC /rimmie holders ? Crazy . I would have thought that if they were so involved there would have been at least an expose - I was given some back issues of the in-house magazine and was surpised at how little - read ZERO info of any real relevance was printed . Very disappointing for a national shooting association thats meant to represent our hobby as well as all the tweedy breek toffs shooting at pegs on their shoot days . I checked the BASC website out of interest all last year and after the deadline - info there was but basic is a word that comes to mind .

BASC were keenly involved during the consultation, and much of where we are today is as a direct result of their involvement and input. If not for them we could be looking at a very different situation to that which we have. Since 2005 some action on air guns was in the post and all the parties had pledged to take action.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-33266720

So, it's unfair IMO to be critical of BASC with regards to their involvement in the licence debacle. The information contained on their website is to the point, clear and concise. What more do you want them to say?

We do well to remember that: the only people unhappy with airgun licensing in Scotland is us air gunners, the joe publics up here by and large think it's great, apart from those who think there should have been a complete ban, that is.

Yes some politicians voted against it, but they wanted a separate airgun bill, rather than it being lumped in with lap dancing and pub licensing.

Quote from the link above:

"Labour backed the bill despite describing it as "far from ideal", while the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats said while they supported many parts of the legislation, they could not back measures relating to the licensing of air weapons, arguing that the matter should have been addressed in a separate piece of legislation."

BASC did all they could

[bighit]

[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/FONT]BASC did all they could

as did SACs

[GoodWILLHunting]

as did SACs

True too

[bighit]

https://basc.org.uk/basc-scotland/ai...ratic-mistake/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...onsultation-2/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...-consultation/



SAC's

http://www.sacs.org.uk/item-931-new-object



how far back do your BASC back issues go? this license scheme has been on the table since at least 2005

BASC and SAC's has been against it for around the same number of years.

[bighit]

the hearing that David Ewing and BASC were at http://www.parliament.scot/GettingIn...singinscotland
https://www.parliament.scot/GettingI...DF/PE01485.pdf


http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2013/04/8015/0
http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0042/00420557.pdf

[bighit]

you could even ask David@Basc what they did

http://www.airgunbbs.com/member.php?106113-David-BASC

[Jimny4x4]

https://basc.org.uk/basc-scotland/ai...ratic-mistake/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...onsultation-2/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...-consultation/



SAC's

http://www.sacs.org.uk/item-931-new-object



how far back do your BASC back issues go? this license scheme has been on the table since at least 2005

BASC and SAC's has been against it for around the same number of years.

You are referencing OLD Material from years ago BEFORE the legislation was even passed .
Linking to dated and old 'Public Statements ' is NOT the same as showing they are pro -active in the fray making members money go further to promote our hobby .

I repeat - ZERO relevant updates in their flagship magazine [ other than to say "Its now illegal ..blah blah " over these past months - and - ZERO relevant updates on their website . I just checked and again nothing new .

Like most people that are down here we want to know what was/is being done SINCE THEN ..... by such a pro-active organisation ?
Feedback from airgunners north in Scotland is NOT good .

As for forum member DAVID (?) I would suggest if the BASC have a spokeperson on here , they give regular updates - on forum for everyone to read .
It really is that important if they want me to spend money and join them .
I was unaware they had a spokesperson here - and so would most people - DAVID Basc has not been on here and made a post on the most important change to our shooting since ermmmm .....Nov 2016 ...

Assuming 'David ' is a spokesperson ( apologies if not David ) then sort of proves my point about accountability and being totally out of touch with the average airgunner .
The BIGGEST changes to our way of life and they cannot keep the nations biggest Airgun Forum updated as the deadline approaches/ passes / has
past ????

Everyone is worried that this fiasco will come south and so far its the BASC thats our last defence .

[bighit]

it does not matter what BASC did or did not do. the license scheme was going ahead no matter what . the Scottish Government did not listen to proof .there was no way they would say it was backing down.



from a newspaper article in 2013
Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill said: "In 2011, the Scottish Government gave a commitment to introduce a robust system of air weapon licensing designed to enable police to better protect our communities by taking these potentially lethal weapons out of the hands of those who would misuse them.
"It is no surprise that the consultation into this issue has attracted a significant number of responses expressing strong feelings from both sides of the debate, and I am grateful that people have taken the time to give their opinions on the proposals.
"We have always been clear that licensing will happen and this has been a valuable exercise in highlighting issues and drawing out concerns around our suggested changes.
"It is important that we now consider all views submitted as we continue to develop a system of licensing that is fair, proportionate and practicable for police and shooters alike.
"It is simply not right that in a modern Scotland air guns are available without a licence


do you honestly think they would listen to the people that opposed the scheme? their mind was made up.

it was not a case if it would go through ,it was a case when.

BASC and SACs did all they could di as did 87% percent of the public . David Ewing is not David @basc. david Ewing is joe blogs off the street.


the scheme got the green light in 2015. so what if David has not said anything since 2016. the scheme was started in 2015 and implemented in June 2016.

http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/air...un-crime-45108

[bighit]

You are referencing OLD Material from years ago BEFORE the legislation was even passed .
Linking to dated and old 'Public Statements ' is NOT the same as showing they are pro -active in the fray making members money go further to promote our hobby .

I repeat - ZERO relevant updates in their flagship magazine [ other than to say "Its now illegal ..blah blah " over these past months - and - ZERO relevant updates on their website . I just checked and again nothing new .

Like most people that are down here we want to know what was/is being done SINCE THEN ..... by such a pro-active organisation ?
Feedback from airgunners north in Scotland is NOT good .

As for forum member DAVID (?) I would suggest if the BASC have a spokeperson on here , they give regular updates - on forum for everyone to read .
It really is that important if they want me to spend money and join them .
I was unaware they had a spokesperson here - and so would most people - DAVID Basc has not been on here and made a post on the most important change to our shooting since ermmmm .....Nov 2016 ...

Assuming 'David ' is a spokesperson ( apologies if not David ) then sort of proves my point about accountability and being totally out of touch with the average airgunner .
The BIGGEST changes to our way of life and they cannot keep the nations biggest Airgun Forum updated as the deadline approaches/ passes / has
past ????

Everyone is worried that this fiasco will come south and so far its the BASC thats our last defence .

other than the cats protection league petition there is no word of it happening in England or Wales .so why would BASC be writing about it ? you don't know what is being done in the background.

also the English government said a year two ago they were confident no scheme was needed in England and Wales.

if your so worried why not email BASC and ask them?

[GoodWILLHunting]

It's done and dusted, it's all "old" stuff. Look to the BASC web site, all info is to be found there.

BASC did plenty and as a full member I'm a happy camper, well as happy as I can be under the circumstances