more idiots with air rifles

[richardscar]

ordering drinks in Wales( I have some Welsh in my blood btw) is easy . a quick translation for you all. Carlsberg in Welsh is ........erm ,well,... Carlsberg ??
oh and that Welsh ancestor of mine married a Viking(Norway) ..

[Rob Edge]

and it wouldnt take long for you to be done for racism
a nice fat fine and you would very quockly loose your vintiners license, or you would if I had anything to do with ite

Actually the people speaking welsh are the ones that could be prosecuted for racism. If you knowingly speak in an alternate language to avoid a third party, who has no understanding of it, it is racism.

[angrybear]

Actually the people speaking welsh are the ones that could be prosecuted for racism. If you knowingly speak in an alternate language to avoid a third party, who has no understanding of it, it is racism.

No, it isn't.

[Rob Edge]

No, it isn't.

If you ask Cameron it is. If anyone moves into a conversation which deliberately excludes another person then by definition, it is racist.

[RetroBloke]

Bizarre - this was my local pub for several weeks last month when I was staying at a friends place in the village.
I thought the article looked very familiar, relieved to find it's a rehash of the article from a few years ago not a repeat incident.

For info:
The pub got new management soon after that article.
The customers & new staff are all very friendly and welcoming (and always have been when I visited in the past) but it's easy to see why some locals would take offence at a "no Welsh" pub rule! Interesting that the locals consider it rude to speak in Welsh when non-welsh speakers are around so they switch to English. Very considerate!

The daft thing is, the pub is less than 50 yards from the library which holds "learn Welsh" evening classes every week.
Who decides to take over a pub in a foreign country without having some idea of the language the customers speak?

Just think - if the landlord had gone downstairs with a big stick to protect his family & property, this incident would never have got into the papers and would have been forgotten about years ago...

cheers,
Pete

[fatttmannn]

No, it isn't.

thank you Ab you beat me to it

[fatttmannn]

If you ask Cameron it is. If anyone moves into a conversation which deliberately excludes another person then by definition, it is racist.

like the posh tosser who spoke latin in a posh restaurant, unfortunatley for him my late partner had gone to a private school and answerd him in latin with a suitable put down., so was he a racist then
or was my Lady in giving it back too the tosser

[Kenbarcon]

if i had a pub it would say on the door no welsh

Theres a pub in Bradford which has a sign above the door saying "No Blacks" and they don't get in trouble for it, they can't be made to take it down either. It was built in 1600's so its a grade listed building and cannot be altered.

[Rob Edge]

like the posh tosser who spoke latin in a posh restaurant, unfortunatley for him my late partner had gone to a private school and answerd him in latin with a suitable put down., so was he a racist then
or was my Lady in giving it back too the tosser

So speaking in a language deliberately to exclude another person is not discrimination then. I suggest you read up on the law before you reply.

[fatttmannn]

So speaking in a language deliberately to exclude another person is not discrimination then. I suggest you read up on the law before you reply.

so dose my local Pakistani shop owner break the law when he talks in Urdu , Pushti or any of the other languages of the Indian sub continent

[fatttmannn]

If you ask Cameron it is. If anyone moves into a conversation which deliberately excludes another person then by definition, it is racist.

If camerloon told me the sky is blue I would allways ask for a 2nd oppinion
hes a polotician, hes breathing, so hes lieing about something or other yes I do have such a low oppinion of poloticians of all parties

[angrybear]

So speaking in a language deliberately to exclude another person is not discrimination then. I suggest you read up on the law before you reply.

I didn't say it wasn't discrimination, I said it's not Racist.

doing the first does not have to mean you are also doing the second

Check the dictionary, "Racism - the belief in the superiority of a particular race" nothing to do with choosing to speak the language of the country you are in

Not learning the language of the Country you move to is simply ignorant.

[fatttmannn]

I didn't say it wasn't discrimination, I said it's not Racist.

doing the first does not have to mean you are also doing the second

Check the dictionary, "Racism - the belief in the superiority of a particular race" nothing to do with choosing to speak the language of the country you are in

Not learning the language of the Country you move to is simply ignorant.

here here

[Rob Edge]

so dose my local Pakistani shop owner break the law when he talks in Urdu , Pushti or any of the other languages of the Indian sub continent

Yes its racism. It cuts both ways.

I didn't say it wasn't discrimination, I said it's not Racist.

doing the first does not have to mean you are also doing the second

Check the dictionary, "Racism - the belief in the superiority of a particular race" nothing to do with choosing to speak the language of the country you are in

Not learning the language of the Country you move to is simply ignorant.

The Welsh consider themselves a different race from the British even going down the route of a Welsh Parliament. Therefore it is racism and no getting away from it.

[Terry D]

The Welsh consider themselves a different race from the British even going down the route of a Welsh Parliament. Therefore it is racism and no getting away from it.

Rob - as one who has experienced racism, I assure you that someone preferring to speak their native language in front of someone who doesn't understand that language, is absolutely NOT racism.

It's perhaps discourteous, even rude, but it isn't racism.