long range pistol

[brucieboy]

I thought i had heard just about everything in my time but this certainly tops all.
A playing card,edge on at 50 metres!,less than half a millimetre thick!.It can't even be seen at that range.
Now come on,tell us it was placed edge on, on top of a block about 150mm square to give an aiming point first,so you know more or less where it is,and then you would hit it eventually after enough shots,maybe.
This kind of talk just encourages irresponsible shooting by the more impressionable amongst us.

[Lou]

I can see it.
How does that encourage irresponsible shooting?

[Lou]

as I said earlier, it is stapled to a post vertically by its bottom corner to allow it to flex. Just because you cant see it .....

[brucieboy]

you mean you can see the post!!,i defy any human to see .5 of a millimetre at 50 metres,unaided.

It encourages people to shoot beyond their ability and beyond the range of there pistol/rifle, by reading such claims they imagine they can also do it.

[Lou]

are you saying that I am a liar? that I cannot see a card at 50 yds?

[Sam Vimes]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL128.../279699736.jpg

Calm down fellas!

[Jim McArthur]

This kind of talk just encourages irresponsible shooting by the more impressionable amongst us.

If he's shooting at an inanimate object, the range to same is clear, and he's sure of his backstop: he's not irresponsible, if he's shooting at 1000 meters.

Jim

[brucieboy]

I would'nt call any-one i don't know a liar,i never even suggested such a thing,and apologise if that is how you took it.
All i said is it's a small target at a long range,the equivalent of a 50mm disc at 5 kilometres,and i stand in awe at any-one with that kind of eyesight.

[Lou]

OK fair enough. Lets calm down (I am a Liverpudlian by the way, we do get excitable)
I assure you that I can see that far but I must also point out that I am sixty years of age and have shot pistol for Nottinghamshire county team for years (have the badge) until it was all banned.
I do shoot at the card, but for all pistol shooters, I have to focus on the card and then the sights alternately because I cant focus on both simultaniously.
What you have to do is hold the gun really steady and adjust to the aim point, so that finally when you take the shot you are focussed on the sights, instinctively knowing you are over the card. Thats why its best without any backing to the target to cause interference from the light. As you know when its bright the aim point can look enormous under the bull on a white card.

However Darren M. Mad dogman. Blackpowder and a lot of other shooters are witnesses to these shots. Phil Bulmer is thinking of writing a "Hit and Myth" about it. Please ask them what they think. It was Blackpowder who started this thread....

[Phil Bulmer]

Phil Bulmer is thinking of writing a "Hit and Myth" about it.

Hi all,

Nice to see we are all calm and collected. It's interesting to see how text can lack internation and folk can get the wrong impression. Meanwhile.......

Next week I'll bring my camera to the club and see this for myself. For the benefit of casual observers, Lou is a crackshot with his HW45. I've seen him demolishing all sorts of stuff at 50 yards, including cherry tomatoes and playing cards face on. The end-on playing card trick is a big ask, but I'm sure it's possible.

Next week will settle it, I'll stand as an independent witness. If anyone is a betting man I'd suggest good odds that Lou can indeed do this.

Cheers,


Phil

[Lou]

well there you go. I will have to do it to order. you cant argue with that.
To those in Matlock who shoot, do you remember Bill Parr (great fellow) and his club on the Via Gellia, Cromford? Well I used to do well in a lot of the comps there, including the Parker Hale Show, when I won a new 32 Mag Smith and Wesson against all comers.
Read "Fast and Fancy Pistol Shooting " by Ed McGivern and you will see that amazing feats have been achieved with handguns, as far back as "Buffalo Bill"
Its sad that you cant believe that someone can hit a card at 50 yds when Ed could hit two x 2inch blocks thrown at the same time in the air with a revolver.

If you dont push it you will never get anywhere.
Ed said "The guns can do it"

[jo-1219]

Hi lou, i would love to see the shots, get your mate to put the film on you tube. i'm a bit of a newbie, couldn't hit a barn door at that range... BUT I've just got a daystate mk3 from 'I need a lazer '(mick. top bloke) step up from the supersport and hope to get better groups soon. any tips?

[Jim McArthur]

well there you go. I will have to do it to order. you cant argue with that.
To those in Matlock who shoot, do you remember Bill Parr (great fellow) and his club on the Via Gellia, Cromford? Well I used to do well in a lot of the comps there, including the Parker Hale Show, when I won a new 32 Mag Smith and Wesson against all comers.

Lou, since you mentioned the .32 mag: what is your opinion of the .32 S&W long, vs. the .38 special, for accuracy?

Jim