Cheats

[mattinlondon]

I agree with you (even though you nicked my Gold on sunday you bugger!)

Maybe there should be a scorecard system as in golf, ie; both parties have to sign the card after the comp, the marker only signs it if he is happy with the scores entered on it

I have refused to sign golf cards because the player had suggested a different score than I knew to be true!

As you say, you mark their card as you see it and let them sort it out later if they say different

[sparky]

I agree with you (even though you nicked my Gold on sunday you bugger!)

Maybe there should be a scorecard system as in golf, ie; both parties have to sign the card after the comp, the marker only signs it if he is happy with the scores entered on it

I have refused to sign golf cards because the player had suggested a different score than I knew to be true!

As you say, you mark their card as you see it and let them sort it out later if they say different

This is something that has always been in the rules but will be clamped down on this year.

Pete

Scorecards
Each shooter must mark their own scorecard with their set magnification and parallax of their scope together with make, model and calibre of their rifle prior to the start of shooting the course. If a complaint is received or when checked by a course marshal, it is discovered that the information entered on the card does not concur with the rifle/scope being used, the shooter will be excluded from the competition.

When a target has been downed the shooter must gain visual confirmation from a fellow group member before it is reset.

Only your shooting buddies are permitted to record your scores on your scorecard. No shooter will be allowed to mark their own scorecard under any circumstances. If an error is entered on any scorecard you must seek a marshal who will amend this error for you. Any altered or unreadable scores not correctly amended and signed off by a marshal shall be record as a zero.

[nibbley-uk]

I agree with you (even though you nicked my Gold on sunday you bugger!)

Maybe there should be a scorecard system as in golf, ie; both parties have to sign the card after the comp, the marker only signs it if he is happy with the scores entered on it

I have refused to sign golf cards because the player had suggested a different score than I knew to be true!

As you say, you mark their card as you see it and let them sort it out later if they say different

Agreed that is a simple thing to do and easily to apply.
As for your gold UNLUCKY hehehhehehe

[Weevie]

What do you do in the following situation?

You're shooting with a lad who's used to shooting FT style and is with his dad (who's not shooting) and he sticks a foot and a half of shooting cushion under his knee, shin and ankle. It's clearly breaking the UKAHFT rules as regards shooting cushions being knee protection only.

In addition Dad is coaching said lad. Not in terms of shot post-mortem but before each peg.

You point out the kneeling cushion thing in a friendly "Don't want you to lose any points for this mate" kind of way (the coaching is unsporting but not in the rules so...) and both lad and his dad tell you basically you're wrong (because there's a tiny glimmer of light at the ankle where there's somethig like 1mm of clearance ). Nobody backs you up. You offer to call a marshal and you're derided by everybody on your peg.

This happened on the first shoot of a double header and so because of the atmosphere the weekend was spoiled for me.

You know what, unless someone is unequivocally cheating I'm not going to intervene anymore.

[nibbley-uk]

What do you do in the following situation?

You're shooting with a lad who's used to shooting FT style and is with his dad (who's not shooting) and he sticks a foot and a half of shooting cushion under his knee, shin and ankle. It's clearly breaking the UKAHFT rules as regards shooting cushions being knee protection only.

In addition Dad is coaching said lad. Not in terms of shot post-mortem but before each peg.

You point out the kneeling cushion thing in a friendly "Don't want you to lose any points for this mate" kind of way (the coaching is unsporting but not in the rules so...) and both lad and his dad tell you basically you're wrong (because there's a tiny glimmer of light at the ankle where there's somethig like 1mm of clearance ). Nobody backs you up. You offer to call a marshal and you're derided by everybody on your peg.

This happened on the first shoot of a double header and so because of the atmosphere the weekend was spoiled for me.

You know what, unless someone is unequivocally cheating I'm not going to intervene anymore.

The UKAHFT is on this as it is mentioned at the safety brief and the marshals carry a pic of the do's and dont's of kneelling so this should not happen.

[Weevie]

The UKAHFT is on this as it is mentioned at the safety brief and the marshals carry a pic of the do's and dont's of kneelling so this should not happen.

That's all very well, but if nobody in your shooting group wants you to call a marshal and clearly indicates their impatience with your views then what do you do? This was a double header. I was going to be shooting with these guys the next day too!

[jay.t]

i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.

[nibbley-uk]

i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.

Not everyone likes using a cushion but as they are allowed everyone has the choice to use one, they are only there to make the shot more comfy not easier as long as the rules are stuck to.

[Herx77]

i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.

No cushions unless for medical reasons.
If this is causing problems remove it at source..no problem..solved.
HERX77 .

[nibbley-uk]

That's all very well, but if nobody in your shooting group wants you to call a marshal and clearly indicates their impatience with your views then what do you do? This was a double header. I was going to be shooting with these guys the next day too!

That is why i started this thread not as to name names but give some FAQ and hope everyone gets some answers so that problems like this can be addressed.
On your way round the course you will see marshals so without calling one you will be able to put these people straight then on the 2nd day if no changes were made point the errors out again and if they still continue a few zeros to their card may make them sit up and listen.

[navybloke]

In addition Dad is coaching said lad. Not in terms of shot post-mortem but before each peg.

It's a fair point about the cushion thing - I think they introduce an unecessary element of artificiality anyway and should be binned, but rules are rules and we should stick with them. However, do you really begrudge a father coaching his lad round the course? What could he really do other than suggest a range or a good position to take the shot from? If it's really an issue then could there not be a case for not taking things quite so seriously? Just a thought, offered in a spirit of friendly enquiry!

As to claiming plates for misses - yes, it's dead wrong, but if someone's that small-minded then I'd have no problem with giving them a doughnut and letting them argue the toss with me and with the marshals.

Here's one for you, though. I shot Basingstoke this year with a bloke who plated the wrong target - I didn't realise he was aiming off. He wasn't in the running for a top spot so I gave him a point - he was happy, and I was happy. I shot Basingstoke last year (second HFT shoot, a nightmare) and saw someone watch their partner take aim at the wrong target, take the shot and drop the target, then instantly say; "that's a zero, I'm afraid". I figured that was pretty unsporting. What say you?

Cheers,

[Baltipal]

I shot Basingstoke last year (second HFT shoot, a nightmare) and saw someone watch their partner take aim at the wrong target, take the shot and drop the target, then instantly say; "that's a zero, I'm afraid". I figured that was pretty unsporting. What say you?

I'd say it was the rules.
I've taken the wrong target out altogether, the previous lane, so I effectively shot it twice.DOH! I accepted the 0 & moved on. Mea Culpa.
It has got to be the Shooter's responsibility to recognise, select, aim at & shoot the target.
Having said that, if I saw someone lining up the wrong target I think I would mention something, courtesy.

[Sam Vimes]

However, do you really begrudge a father coaching his lad round the course? What could he really do other than suggest a range or a good position to take the shot from? If it's really an issue then could there not be a case for not taking things quite so seriously? Just a thought, offered in a spirit of friendly enquiry!

I can see both points. However, if I was a junior competing against the coached lad without the benefit of my own coaching I suspect I'd be pretty annoyed. There's a time and place for coaching and encouragement. I don't believe that full blown competition is one of them.

[A16NS V]

This all puts an interesting but dissapointing slant on things. I've put my name down for the Kibworth shoot in a couple of weeks and it will be my first time doing HFT. I've been looking forward to this and I only want to go there and test myself and perhaps have a chat/laugh with like minded chaps.

This all sounds a bit serious TBH.

[kieran turner]

This all puts an interesting but dissapointing slant on things. I've put my name down for the Kibworth shoot in a couple of weeks and it will be my first time doing HFT. I've been looking forward to this and I only want to go there and test myself and perhaps have a chat/laugh with like minded chaps.

This all sounds a bit serious TBH.

Itr isn't really that serious mate, it truly is a real layed back way to spend a day. Come along and shoot some tin chickens!