Springer repeater or single shot? Military style, Umarex Colt M4? Gamo?

[felix gunner]

Thanks guys, could not find any topics or sales of them but I might be cr@p at using the search!

It does look great value being full power too [edit: sorry to hear that Michael above] with a nice manageable weight and shortish length. As much as I love my 77K I find the old MkI Meteor more fun in a way and a heck of a lot less tiring to hold...

I was checking out some YT vids last night on them and Rune Rebel had a test on the M4 and remarked on the sights being a bit wonky - I use open sights so how have you found your examples?

[Geezer]

Pellet-firing M16/M4 lookalikes (some more accurate replicas than others):

SMK Milbro SYNM16 (springer)

SMK Nova Vista M4 (pump-up)

Crosman NTR77 (gas piston)

Crosman M4-177 (pump-up)

Also Crosman MK-177, FN SCAR lookalike (pumper).

And a variety of “tactical” springers that aren’t lookalikes of real military weapons but have M4-style stocks, and separate pistol grips, if you look around.

Not recommending any of them. Most I haven’t handled, let alone shot. Almost all are cheap plinkers, sold on looks not performance.

[Josie & John]

Thanks guys, could not find any topics or sales of them but I might be cr@p at using the search!

It does look great value being full power too [edit: sorry to hear that Michael above] with a nice manageable weight and shortish length. As much as I love my 77K I find the old MkI Meteor more fun in a way and a heck of a lot less tiring to hold...

I was checking out some YT vids last night on them and Rune Rebel had a test on the M4 and remarked on the sights being a bit wonky - I use open sights so how have you found your examples?

Solid Back Up Iron Sight (BUIS) on mine with positive adjustments. However, I have fitted an optic on the basis the in line stock offers exactly the same height sight line for optics as the BUIS. An ACOG lookalike looks the part too and extends the range, as does the high power output.

If you don't need the extra power and fancy a multi shot, what about the CO2 powered Hellboy - a very realistic M4 replica with lots of moving parts?

Kind regards,

John

[felix gunner]

Thanks Geezer. John, not really a Co2 fan (apart from my Maks) so has to be a springer this time.

Any repeater sprinters about?

[felix gunner]

Although the reviews seem good I did fine the following posted from some users in another topic (see below).

How are those who bought one getting on with it and is it holding up OK?

And has anyone stripped one?

Before...a tin of Hobbies ...within a month, the plastic "Lower Receiver" part of the gun, incorporating the Mag Well, Trigger/Guard, Pistol Grip and Shoulder Stock worked itself loose from the mostly metal "Upper Receiver", which includes the spring, barrel and other associated gubbins. The last shot I fired with that gun was accompanied by a disturbing "CRACK!" from within the plastic component and the trigger jammed... the plastic part of the gun is fixed to the metal part by a single machine screw which passes through a moulded sleeve. This sleeve had fractured/split and obstructed the trigger mechanism, rendering the gun unusable.


...sent me a replacement...less than six weeks and less than 350 Hobbies down the barrel, The plastic is coming loose.....AGAIN!...

And another user:

I bought one earlier this year, its crap. I've had the Same problem with the plastic bit breaking. Also it was only doing 7/8 ftlbs after I'd removed the oil from it - it seemed like it had been dipped in a bucket of oil and it was dripping from the spring.

I thought it would have been better quality( I've got a couple of umarex walthers and they are great) than it actually is but its a complete ****

[Josie & John]

Although the reviews seem good I did fine the following posted from some users in another topic (see below).

How are those who bought one getting on with it and is it holding up OK?

And has anyone stripped one?

Before...a tin of Hobbies ...within a month, the plastic "Lower Receiver" part of the gun, incorporating the Mag Well, Trigger/Guard, Pistol Grip and Shoulder Stock worked itself loose from the mostly metal "Upper Receiver", which includes the spring, barrel and other associated gubbins. The last shot I fired with that gun was accompanied by a disturbing "CRACK!" from within the plastic component and the trigger jammed... the plastic part of the gun is fixed to the metal part by a single machine screw which passes through a moulded sleeve. This sleeve had fractured/split and obstructed the trigger mechanism, rendering the gun unusable.


...sent me a replacement...less than six weeks and less than 350 Hobbies down the barrel, The plastic is coming loose.....AGAIN!...

And another user:

I bought one earlier this year, its crap. I've had the Same problem with the plastic bit breaking. Also it was only doing 7/8 ftlbs after I'd removed the oil from it - it seemed like it had been dipped in a bucket of oil and it was dripping from the spring.

I thought it would have been better quality( I've got a couple of umarex walthers and they are great) than it actually is but its a complete ****

Mine is shooting fine after several months and several tins of pellet Max.

I'd be interested in where the single screw and sleeve you mention are located, just so I can keep an eye on them and maybe add some loctite?

Kind regards,

John

[felix gunner]

Mine is shooting fine after several months and several tins of pellet Max.

I'd be interested in where the single screw and sleeve you mention are located, just so I can keep an eye on them and maybe add some loctite?

Kind regards,

John

My thoughts too John - wonder if anyone has stripped one down? Guessing once all the plastic is removed it’s very naked and obvious. I did look at the SMK Milbro £100 jobbie but much cheaper built and too long. Advantage that it’s my preferred.22 but seems to be a bit recoiless.

[Josie & John]

My thoughts too John - wonder if anyone has stripped one down? Guessing once all the plastic is removed it’s very naked and obvious. I did look at the SMK Milbro £100 jobbie but much cheaper built and too long. Advantage that it’s my preferred.22 but seems to be a bit recoiless.

I had a play with a Milbro last year and when compared to the Umarex, it becomes apparent the Milbro is the cheaper option. However, it does work and looks better with a suitable optic than the standard sights and imitation carrying handle it comes with. Trigger is not very good and agree it is very long.

John

[Michael Lewis]

Mine is shooting fine after several months and several tins of pellet Max.

I'd be interested in where the single screw and sleeve you mention are located, just so I can keep an eye on them and maybe add some loctite?

Kind regards,

John

Remove the pistol grip - screw in bottom of grip, then you will see the large screw that connects plastic bit to the metal bits of the gun.

[Josie & John]

Remove the pistol grip - screw in bottom of grip, then you will see the large screw that connects plastic bit to the metal bits of the gun.

Thank you Michael - much appreciated.

Kind regards,

John

[Josie & John]

Thanks again Michael and to Max for highlighting this potential issue with the M4.

My screw was loose and it seems as though only a few threads engage, so a dab of loctite on the thread should keep the screw from undoing itself.

A very useful heads up.

John