Daystate Huntsman Regal vs Weihrauch HW100

[Seamaster]

In my opinion, and I own both, the 100 is easily superior.
There is some false information given on this thread but I'm not going to start another argument.
It's important, if you're choosing between a KS/KT100 and a Regal, that you realise the real world difference between 70 (ish) regulated shots and 80 (ish) unregulated shots. As Jesim says, you can see a rise and fall at 30 yards, it's magnified at 35 yards, massive at 40 yards. At 45 yards you'll still have 70 (ish) bang on shots from the 100. With the Regal you'll be down to about 40 before you have to aim off.
Buy what you feel happiest with mate, but never kid yourself about the difference between the two.
As an aside, the problem that Villaman mentions about pellets falling back into the action is a common problem with all Daystates and is recognised even on the Daystate Owners Club forum. The official advice from the factory when this happens is to hold the gun upside down with the bolt pulled back and shake violently. Not confidence inspiring but there you go.

Chris

[rhyslightnin]

In my opinion, and I own both, the 100 is easily superior.
There is some false information given on this thread but I'm not going to start another argument.
It's important, if you're choosing between a KS/KT100 and a Regal, that you realise the real world difference between 70 (ish) regulated shots and 80 (ish) unregulated shots. As Jesim says, you can see a rise and fall at 30 yards, it's magnified at 35 yards, massive at 40 yards. At 45 yards you'll still have 70 (ish) bang on shots from the 100. With the Regal you'll be down to about 40 before you have to aim off.
Buy what you feel happiest with mate, but never kid yourself about the difference between the two.
As an aside, the problem that Villaman mentions about pellets falling back into the action is a common problem with all Daystates and is recognised even on the Daystate Owners Club forum. The official advice from the factory when this happens is to hold the gun upside down with the bolt pulled back and shake violently. Not confidence inspiring but there you go.

Chris

Interesting... How do they get in there then? Is it through the pellet prob/bolt hole? As I didn't think the probe went far enough back on mine to let anything in there??? Maybe the classic was different?

[Seamaster]

To the OP - your list is comprised of facts about each rifle, playing against one another - its going to be difficult to decide when you do that.
Instead, make up a list of what is important to you in a rifle and then see what ticks the boxes against each rifle.
After all this if you dont like the outcome, then you know what your gut feeling is, so go with that... always go with your gut! I do and Im a fat bastard - but Ive got some cracking rifles that I love

Interesting... How do they get in there then? Is it through the pellet prob/bolt hole? As I didn't think the probe went far enough back on mine to let anything in there??? Maybe the classic was different?

I think, on some but obviously not all, when you pull the bolt back the pellet comes backwards out of the mag and fall down the gap in the slider and body in the bottom of the mag well, if that makes sense.
I've had a Regal that did this when cocked at an angle. The Regal I have at the moment doesn't do it but reading a few posts on the DOC, it is a common problem.

Chris

[rhyslightnin]

I think, on some but obviously not all, when you pull the bolt back the pellet comes backwards out of the mag and fall down the gap in the slider and body in the bottom of the mag well, if that makes sense.
I've had a Regal that did this when cocked at an angle. The Regal I have at the moment doesn't do it but reading a few posts on the DOC, it is a common problem.

Chris

Ahhh ok., Mine doesn't expose any gap in the mag well that's why I couldn't see it happening. Which if it does is a bit shite really.

[villaman]

In my opinion, and I own both, the 100 is easily superior.
There is some false information given on this thread but I'm not going to start another argument.
It's important, if you're choosing between a KS/KT100 and a Regal, that you realise the real world difference between 70 (ish) regulated shots and 80 (ish) unregulated shots. As Jesim says, you can see a rise and fall at 30 yards, it's magnified at 35 yards, massive at 40 yards. At 45 yards you'll still have 70 (ish) bang on shots from the 100. With the Regal you'll be down to about 40 before you have to aim off.
Buy what you feel happiest with mate, but never kid yourself about the difference between the two.
As an aside, the problem that Villaman mentions about pellets falling back into the action is a common problem with all Daystates and is recognised even on the Daystate Owners Club forum. The official advice from the factory when this happens is to hold the gun upside down with the bolt pulled back and shake violently. Not confidence inspiring but there you go.

Chris

Thanks Chris ,I think a few on here did not believe me on this matter . Oh well that's forums for you !!

[rhyslightnin]

Thanks Chris ,I think a few on here did not believe me on this matter . Oh well that's forums for you !!

It's not that I didn't believe you sir I just rightfully couldn't see it happening as my rifle doesn't do it, now that we have established that it can happen and some do & some don't. IL eat my words num num num num num!

At least now op can check for this issue if he looks at the regals!!

[villaman]

It's not that I didn't believe you sir I just rightfully couldn't see it happening as my rifle doesn't do it, now that we have established that it can happen and some do & some don't. IL eat my words num num num num num!

At least now op can check for this issue if he looks at the regals!!

Thank you for that , a true gent

[gingernut]

I believed you Villa.

[secretagentmole]

Pellet dropping into the hammer system???? Hows that then? Worst that'll happen is pellets moving back in the mag, the one in the breach is supported by the probe.. any problems with this just means you need to change the mag oring which is a £2.50 10min job

Happened on my X2, I was able to shake the pellet out. Happened on my Mk3 as well, in fact when I had that serviced there were three pellets in the mechanism, one I knew about, two that were there prior to my ownership (it was secondhand).

Oh should i be doing this with 4 brand new mags , i don't think so , it's a known fact if, you try and load another pellet when shooting up in the air the pellet can fall in to the hammer system , that came from the horse's mouth apparently

Happened to my 2 Daystates.

Horse is telling porkies then. If you locate the pellet in the "O" ring it can't go backwards. To the OP. Try them both and buy what suits.

Horse is right, the pellet can fall backwards, the magazines are not perfect and the O ring does not keep the pellet in situ, even if you located the pellet properly.

In my opinion, and I own both, the 100 is easily superior.
There is some false information given on this thread but I'm not going to start another argument.
It's important, if you're choosing between a KS/KT100 and a Regal, that you realise the real world difference between 70 (ish) regulated shots and 80 (ish) unregulated shots. As Jesim says, you can see a rise and fall at 30 yards, it's magnified at 35 yards, massive at 40 yards. At 45 yards you'll still have 70 (ish) bang on shots from the 100. With the Regal you'll be down to about 40 before you have to aim off.
Buy what you feel happiest with mate, but never kid yourself about the difference between the two.
As an aside, the problem that Villaman mentions about pellets falling back into the action is a common problem with all Daystates and is recognised even on the Daystate Owners Club forum. The official advice from the factory when this happens is to hold the gun upside down with the bolt pulled back and shake violently. Not confidence inspiring but there you go.

Chris

I know, when it happened on my Mk 3 I posted about it, was told what the problem was, decided to get my gun serviced by a Daystate Accredited Service Agent who retrieved 3 pellets out of it.

Ahhh ok., Mine doesn't expose any gap in the mag well that's why I couldn't see it happening. Which if it does is a bit shite really.

It happens, can also happen on Theoben Rapids, the pellet falling backwards out of the magazine, did on my Mk 1.

[secretagentmole]

Having had both Daystates and HW100s, I would get the HW every time. It works.

When a Daystate works properly it is a thing of wonder, quiet, precise, great balance etc etc. Problem is they do not always work right and when they do they can muck themselves up if you reload with the gun pointing to the sky (something that happens a bit if roost shooting).

An HW100 tends to work. You pick it up, position the barrel sky wards and reload and the pellet does not jam the cocking mechanism up, the HW is not that much louder on firing than the DS, it is cheaper too.

Your money but would you buy a car from a manufacturer with a bad quality reputation, that charged you more and then when the car did not work and you took it to an appointed service agent tell you that you had invalidated the warranty(http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....ystate+quality).

[kat1]

Thanks Chris ,I think a few on here did not believe me on this matter . Oh well that's forums for you !!

I believe you. It happened to me on a Air Wolf I once owned. One day it jammed-would not cock. I took block apart where the firing mech is housed to find 5 yep 5 crushed up pellets. It was one of the first Air Wolfs made. I rang Daystate, they said yes it is a problem we have seen before and we have a remedy-they sent me a pack of o rings, one to be fitted over the pin/probe that pushes the pellet through and back hard against the block. Never had any prob after that.

Don't ask me how they got in there, I still do not understand.

Kat.

[digitaldwarf]

i had an early daystate mk3 sport it suffer from pellets falling back into the block also an airwolf with the same problem . not in the least surprised to see that it is still hapening with some models . my 2 hw 100 that i have one leaked untill i replaced some o rings the other never leaked

[lensman57]

I believe you. It happened to me on a Air Wolf I once owned. One day it jammed-would not cock. I took block apart where the firing mech is housed to find 5 yep 5 crushed up pellets. It was one of the first Air Wolfs made. I rang Daystate, they said yes it is a problem we have seen before and we have a remedy-they sent me a pack of o rings, one to be fitted over the pin/probe that pushes the pellet through and back hard against the block. Never had any prob after that.

Don't ask me how they got in there, I still do not understand.

Kat.

I also had heard of this problem of pellets falling into the mechanism. No gun is absolutely perfect, that is for sure.

A.G

[secretagentmole]

I also had heard of this problem of pellets falling into the mechanism. No gun is absolutely perfect, that is for sure.

A.G

Yes but it is a right bar steward when roost shooting having the pellets fall backwards into the mechanism when you retract the probe (it clicks the magazine round, the pellet falls out and then gets chewed up as you push the bolt back), sometimes jamming the gun, always leading to a dry fire, always a damned nuisance, does not happen with BSA magazines, does not happen with HW, Hatsan, Evanix, FX, but somehow Daystate engineered it so it happens with theirs...

[Murphy]

Daystates fix for customers who complained was to send a plastic sleeve in the post.

Guess what happened?!

It fell in to the breech when fitted.

Rolls royce of airguns indeed.