ok lads thanks -- just looked at the Hatsan 55/60 , but they are not so cheap anymore round £240 / £250 ... surely they were under £200 not so long back.

so if the VMX quantum silencer package , includes gun , mod , scope mounts , bag , pellets £179 , would it be a good idea to get one and self tune it -- done several HW 's my self , so don't mind fiddle-ing ..OR are they really that crap..

these are for sale at molevalley farmers which is local to me .

was also looking at another Fenix 400s , had one years ago , great gun with a tune , but alas like most guns gone way up in price