Fas 6004 v 604

[zooma]

Well, thats the final comment and end of this subject for me - and I didn't get called once!

Hello once!

[brucieboy]

I had a 604 years ago, that's why I bought a 6004, it was supposed to be an updated 604. Mine went in the bin. Tiny steel screws into soft aluminium, glass rear sights etc. The final nail in the coffin was the bracket that holds the barrel in the over- lever. It kept coming loose and letting the barrel move back failing to seal against the breech seal.
Nipped it up a few times and the tiny bolts stripped. There's not enough metal to drill out and re-tap for a bigger bolt so it was a write off.
Never had a problem with the old 604.

[I. J.]

Hello once!

I had a 604 years ago, that's why I bought a 6004, it was supposed to be an updated 604. Mine went in the bin. Tiny steel screws into soft aluminium, glass rear sights etc. The final nail in the coffin was the bracket that holds the barrel in the over- lever. It kept coming loose and letting the barrel move back failing to seal against the breech seal.
Nipped it up a few times and the tiny bolts stripped. There's not enough metal to drill out and re-tap for a bigger bolt so it was a write off.
Never had a problem with the old 604.

So another victim of tiny screws into soft aluminium.

[candleman]

I had a 604 years ago, that's why I bought a 6004, it was supposed to be an updated 604. Mine went in the bin..

No it didn't
Stop lying.
No one throws an item they paid hundreds of pounds for in the bin.
Now you're just making stuff up and I don't believe you ever owned one.

[brucieboy]

No it didn't
Stop lying.
No one throws an item they paid hundreds of pounds for in the bin.
Now you're just making stuff up and I don't believe you ever owned one.

Ok then, not all in the bin, I did sell some bits.

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....highlight=6004

But the rest went in the bin. So there You need to back up calling someone a liar with some provable fact, your opinion doesn't matter.

[zooma]

Ok then, not all in the bin, I did sell some bits.

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....highlight=6004

But the rest went in the bin. So there You need to back up calling someone a liar with some provable fact, your opinion doesn't matter.

Hi Brucieboy,

Thanks for providing the proof to "candleman" that you did own a 6004 (it was not necessary) and for showing us how much of it of any value was left after you decided to bin the rest of it.

Forty quid is not a lot of cash to have left after selling anything that could be sold. If you had years of good shooting with it and put many thousands of pellets through it I would still hope that it had a little more value left in it and that any worn or broken parts could be replaced.

Binning a modern target air pistol is almost unheard of. Target pistols usually have an easy life, are seldom taken outdoors to get wet or muddy, and are usually kept clean and very well cared for.

Was there nothing you could do to repair it or find a good gunsmith that could fix it for you?

Your experience is another of the many bad ownership experiences that worries me enough not to buy a new one at this moment. If they ever get the problems fixed it would be a really nice SSP for use at 10 meters or in the 6 yard MPL competitions.

I gave my son my last 604 mk2 several years ago and for me the 6004 would have been the ideal replacement - and it still may be, as no manufacturer can afford to ignore the feedback they must have been receiving from their importers/distributor/dealer network and customers since they started their new business, and hopefully they will respond by making the changes it needs and their customers deserve.

Sorry your 6004 experience ended so badly for you - but I am still hopeful that a mk2 may come along and that it will be made from a harder alloy and have all the known faults taken care of.

Stay safe!

[brucieboy]

I didn't buy it new and as it needed a new over-lever, the availability, if any, of which and cost would be prohibitive I imagine would be near what I paid for it. Looking online I've seen examples of the over-lever cracking with cocking
I'd lost confidence in it so it had to go. When you think they actually cost half as much as the old 604 allowing for inflation I suppose you shouldn't really expect them to be as good, but then again you don't expect them to be so fragile either. I did like the look of it and how it handled though,
It needs an improved alloy for the over-lever, thicker bolts for fastenings and a closer inspection of the finished article for fit and finish. Many won't even sight in for 10 metres, they shoot high, the elevation screw springs get coil bound. A change of springs cures it but it shouldn't be like that.

[zooma]

I didn't buy it new and as it needed a new over-lever, the availability, if any, of which and cost would be prohibitive I imagine would be near what I paid for it. Looking online I've seen examples of the over-lever cracking with cocking
I'd lost confidence in it so it had to go. When you think they actually cost half as much as the old 604 allowing for inflation I suppose you shouldn't really expect them to be as good, but then again you don't expect them to be so fragile either. I did like the look of it and how it handled though,
It needs an improved alloy for the over-lever, thicker bolts for fastenings and a closer inspection of the finished article for fit and finish. Many won't even sight in for 10 metres, they shoot high, the elevation screw springs get coil bound. A change of springs cures it but it shouldn't be like that.

Thanks Brucie,

That answers all my questions, and your final summary of what you think could be improved can be backed-up by the comments of many others, although I had not heard about the over-lever cracking before - but to be honest I had stopped looking as I was hoping for a mk2 to arrive with all the problems addressed by now.

You make a good valid point about the price though, if it works out to be anywhere near being only half the price of the original 604 (allowing for inflation) it is a remarkable product for the money. The anatomical grip in particular is a belter. The one I borrowed fitted me a treat, and like you I too liked the look and the feel of the pistol......and is why I would still like to own one!

There must be room for Chiappa to fix the weak areas and charge a higher price so we end up with pistol that is as durable as the old 604 (maybe better if the barrel casing does not crack like some of the 604 pistols did when they were dropped) and it is certainly better looking (IMHO).

Stay safe!

[andyals]

I didn't buy it new and as it needed a new over-lever, the availability, if any, of which and cost would be prohibitive I imagine would be near what I paid for it. Looking online I've seen examples of the over-lever cracking with cocking
I'd lost confidence in it so it had to go. When you think they actually cost half as much as the old 604 allowing for inflation I suppose you shouldn't really expect them to be as good, but then again you don't expect them to be so fragile either. I did like the look of it and how it handled though,
It needs an improved alloy for the over-lever, thicker bolts for fastenings and a closer inspection of the finished article for fit and finish. Many won't even sight in for 10 metres, they shoot high, the elevation screw springs get coil bound. A change of springs cures it but it shouldn't be like that.

The cracking issue was a problem with the 604, which is being described as the better pistol and not the 6004.
The latter addresses this with a slightly different design as was earlier pointed out.
So it was a 604 that went into the bin and not the "inferior" 6004.
Glad that's cleared up.

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....ing-For-Spares

[andyals]

I've seen examples of the over-lever cracking with cocking

Again
This was an issue with the 604 AND NOT the 6004.
The latter had a change of design in this area to make it stronger.