Do I want a .177...?

[gingernut]

The answer to your question generally is yes.
The .22 versions of most spring rifles are easier to cock and nicer to shoot than .177 models.

There are exceptions eg My Walther LGV Comp Ultra.
The 98 is a very good rifle and it’s weight tames the .177 version a bit.

[MikeHW45]

The answer to your question generally is yes.
The .22 versions of most spring rifles are easier to cock and nicer to shoot than .177 models.

There are exceptions eg My Walther LGV Comp Ultra.
The 98 is a very good rifle and it’s weight tames the .177 version a bit.

Absolutely, I love my 98 in .177. I've put a delrin guide and top hat in as it was a bit twangy from new. The weighted barrel definitely makes it a lovely rifle to shoot. One of the other chaps on here has short stroked his 98 and that is very nice to shoot with a quick but not overly harsh shot cycle.

[Blackrider]

Had a very nice .177 Cal. 98 set within a left handed CS800 Thumbhole stock and it shot very well, not harsh at all !
It eventually went like so many other airguns to fund something else that I happened to be chasing at the time but it is one of the few guns that occasionally I regret parting with.

[Gareth W-B]

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As more action inertia needs to be generated to propel a .177 pellet around the 11ft.lb mark than is needed to propel a .22 pellet to the same power lever (best way to explain this is the physics of how much energy do you need to exert to throw a light cotton wool ball twenty feet compared to the energy you would need to exert to throw a pebble the same distance), a lighter rifle will absorb less of the .177 inertia energy than a heavier one.

This is why in my not inconsiderable experience that I proffer light rifles like the BSA Mercury, Airsporter and Super Sport (plus all the BSA Lightening derivatives) are simply ghastly to shoot in .177 compared to the same guns in .22 (Webly Vulcans and all derrivatives therein fit this model, imho, too).

Upper end quality -- and more weighty -- springer air rifles like the HW97K, HW80/80K, HW77/77K, HW98, AA TX200/200HC and AA ProSports are more than capable of absorbing and naturally damping down the aforementioned extra inertia generated by full hop .177 actions however, which is why ALL as I have detailed in this paragraph are such a joy to shoot in any calibre sub 12ft.lb (my very personal favourite off the list being the AATX200HC .177 ).

So go on, treat yourself, and get yourself a 'Super Springer' off the above list in .177, as you will not regret it (but do remember to use a Dampa mount for your scope, too, as I swear by these for all springers). Hope this helps? Atb: G.

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[eyebull]

Can't argue with that Gareth.
I think carbine barrels on .177's don't help either as it's another power drain that requires the action to work just a bit harder for the same result. My .177 lightning was appalling for all those reasons (and more, but don't get me started again).

My .177 95k is a bit better behaved (but doesn't shoot as nice as my .22 95), and my .177 LGV C U is very very well behaved indeed, but then it weighs a ton. A 98 should be a nice compromise.

As long as you don't try to have a tiny little featherweight carbine doing 11.99 ft/lb, you can have a nicely shooting .177.

[Gareth W-B]

Can't argue with that Gareth.
I think carbine barrels on .177's don't help either as it's another power drain that requires the action to work just a bit harder for the same result. My .177 lightning was appalling for all those reasons (and more, but don't get me started again).

My .177 95k is a bit better behaved (but doesn't shoot as nice as my .22 95), and my .177 LGV C U is very very well behaved indeed, but then it weighs a ton. A 98 should be a nice compromise.

As long as you don't try to have a tiny little featherweight carbine doing 11.99 ft/lb, you can have a nicely shooting .177.

Thank you; good point; agreed --.177 springer BSAs are seriously impeded; again agreed (am quite a fan of the HW95K in both cals); yes the LGV and LGU should both be on my quality rifle list as above; yep the HW98 in .177 is a perfect compromise, and again yep, 100% agree. Atb: G.

[Anothermiss]

Why not consider. 20?

[WILBA]

Can't argue with that Gareth.
I think carbine barrels on .177's don't help either as it's another power drain that requires the action to work just a bit harder for the same result. My .177 lightning was appalling for all those reasons (and more, but don't get me started again).

My .177 95k is a bit better behaved (but doesn't shoot as nice as my .22 95), and my .177 LGV C U is very very well behaved indeed, but then it weighs a ton. A 98 should be a nice compromise.

As long as you don't try to have a tiny little featherweight carbine doing 11.99 ft/lb, you can have a nicely shooting .177.

My lightning is horrible to shoot also in .177cal. Terrible firing cycle. Vibrates like hell thats why i am sellig it. I find the superstar and goldstar are much sweeter to shoot in .177cal due to the extra weight.

[harvey_s]

So go on, treat yourself, and get (but do remember to use a Dampa mount for your scope, too, as I swear by these for all springers). Hope this helps? Atb: G.

Hi Gareth
Do not todays glass etched reticles negate the need for something like this?

[Gareth W-B]

Hi Gareth
Do not todays glass etched reticles negate the need for something like this?

Quite possibly, yes, but for the sake of the extra £20 on top of the cost of regular quality mounts, I will always top my springers with a Dampa, if nothing else, I like the look of them, and having all my springers wearing the same hardware between actions and glass satisfies my latent O.C.D. (lol ).

[WILBA]

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As more action inertia needs to be generated to propel a .177 pellet around the 11ft.lb mark than is needed to propel a .22 pellet to the same power lever (best way to explain this is the physics of how much energy do you need to exert to throw a light cotton wool ball twenty feet compared to the energy you would need to exert to throw a pebble the same distance), a lighter rifle will absorb less of the .177 inertia energy than a heavier one.

This is why in my not inconsiderable experience that I proffer light rifles like the BSA Mercury, Airsporter and Super Sport (plus all the BSA Lightening derivatives) are simply ghastly to shoot in .177 compared to the same guns in .22 (Webly Vulcans and all derrivatives therein fit this model, imho, too).

Upper end quality -- and more weighty -- springer air rifles like the HW97K, HW80/80K, HW77/77K, HW98, AA TX200/200HC and AA ProSports are more than capable of absorbing and naturally damping down the aforementioned extra inertia generated by full hop .177 actions however, which is why ALL as I have detailed in this paragraph are such a joy to shoot in any calibre sub 12ft.lb (my very personal favourite off the list being the AATX200HC .177 ).

So go on, treat yourself, and get yourself a 'Super Springer' off the above list in .177, as you will not regret it (but do remember to use a Dampa mount for your scope, too, as I swear by these for all springers). Hope this helps? Atb: G.

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Thats why all my springers are fitted with simmons pro air scopes. I have about 7 of the 6-18x40 for some reason lol.

[Blackrider]

Thats why all my springers are fitted with simmons pro air scopes. I have about 7 of the 6-18x40 for some reason lol.

Fancy another ?

[Blackrider]

When Guns International shut down a few years back, one of the air guns they had on offer at a cut down price was a big 'ol HW 90 in .177 Cal.
Brand new, looked good and I really fancied it !
However due to its size (pretty big I thought) I passed it by and I believe it got sold quickly after that !
On reflection, I should have bought it although I did eventually end up with a .22 K version a while later but that eventually got sold.
Accepted that the 90 is not everyone's favourite ( I'd like a 90TB though) but I sometimes muse about a .177 long barrel version in a well figured CS stock !

[WILBA]

Fancy another ?

Nope. unless its a 4-12x50 then yes

[WILBA]

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As more action inertia needs to be generated to propel a .177 pellet around the 11ft.lb mark than is needed to propel a .22 pellet to the same power lever (best way to explain this is the physics of how much energy do you need to exert to throw a light cotton wool ball twenty feet compared to the energy you would need to exert to throw a pebble the same distance), a lighter rifle will absorb less of the .177 inertia energy than a heavier one.

This is why in my not inconsiderable experience that I proffer light rifles like the BSA Mercury, Airsporter and Super Sport (plus all the BSA Lightening derivatives) are simply ghastly to shoot in .177 compared to the same guns in .22 (Webly Vulcans and all derrivatives therein fit this model, imho, too).

Upper end quality -- and more weighty -- springer air rifles like the HW97K, HW80/80K, HW77/77K, HW98, AA TX200/200HC and AA ProSports are more than capable of absorbing and naturally damping down the aforementioned extra inertia generated by full hop .177 actions however, which is why ALL as I have detailed in this paragraph are such a joy to shoot in any calibre sub 12ft.lb (my very personal favourite off the list being the AATX200HC .177 ).

So go on, treat yourself, and get yourself a 'Super Springer' off the above list in .177, as you will not regret it (but do remember to use a Dampa mount for your scope, too, as I swear by these for all springers). Hope this helps? Atb: G.

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My .177cal prosport i sold this week was very accurare in .177cal. Its just that bloody uncomfortable underlever i hated to the point i had to sell it. Had a go of the friend who bought my prosport tx200hc in .177cal. Dam that gun was just as sweet to use and a pleasure to cock compared to the prosport. Guess i might buy one to add to my collection.