What constitutes a world class course ?

[thumbhole]

Range traps, are a shooters excuse for not having all their wits about them

Shooters have loads of excuses as to why they missed. A twig a blade of grass a leaf etc in the way. You missed cause you did not find the best solution to overcome the obstructions. Whatever the difficulty of the course every one taking part has the same opportunity some are more prepared, relaxed, at one with their equipment and abilities hence they do well.

[Scott.]

If (when) I miss it will always be for one of 2 honest reasons..
I didn’t range it correctly, or
I didn’t account properly for the wind

Those (poor souls) who have shot with me know if I miss it was my own fault and that I don’t need or use excuses for my crap shoooting.

i don’t believe in excuses, but I won’t condemn those poor fragile egos who find out all too late that their shooting skills aren’t good enough and suddenly find they need the use of some excuses

[Rich]

There is only one reason for a miss. At the instant of releasing the trigger you had the barrel pointing in the wrong direction.

[thumbhole]

If (when) I miss it will always be for one of 2 honest reasons..
I didn’t range it correctly, or
I didn’t account properly for the wind

Those (poor souls) who have shot with me know if I miss it was my own fault and that I don’t need or use excuses for my crap shoooting.

i don’t believe in excuses, but I won’t condemn those poor fragile egos who find out all too late that their shooting skills aren’t good enough and suddenly find they need the use of some excuses

I am the same as you if I miss its my fault and nobody else's Lot of people think they are better than they thought until given a challenge to prove it. Had a lad come with his mates. I can clear the course no problem, Bet him a million quid he could not, cut a long story short I will pick a target on the course see if you can hit it. 8yard reduced 15mm kill. gave him a HFT500 to do it he missed. Still owes me the dosh lol.

[pumpygun]

I am the same as you if I miss its my fault and nobody else's Lot of people think they are better than they thought until given a challenge to prove it. Had a lad come with his mates. I can clear the course no problem, Bet him a million quid he could not, cut a long story short I will pick a target on the course see if you can hit it. 8yard reduced 15mm kill. gave him a HFT500 to do it he missed. Still owes me the dosh lol.

He should of pulled the target for being illegal and claimed 2 points and the bet

[thumbhole]

He should of pulled the target for being illegal and claimed 2 points and the bet

Its not illegal on my courses not affiliated to ukhft lol he took the challenge and lost lol.

[milek]

Shooters have loads of excuses as to why they missed. A twig a blade of grass a leaf etc in the way. You missed cause you did not find the best solution to overcome the obstructions. Whatever the difficulty of the course every one taking part has the same opportunity some are more prepared, relaxed, at one with their equipment and abilities hence they do well.

Not entirely true Marc. Lanes that are not clear of obstruction are not the same for all shooters. One shooter can take out an offending twig/blade of grass making it a clearer shot for the next shooter. World class is knowing the setters have taken obstructions into account for every shooter. Too many times I have seen targets obstructed within the 8 yard mark. These things do not happen where the setters are on the ball.

[thumbhole]

Not entirely true Marc. Lanes that are not clear of obstruction are not the same for all shooters. One shooter can take out an offending twig/blade of grass making it a clearer shot for the next shooter. World class is knowing the setters have taken obstructions into account for every shooter. Too many times I have seen targets obstructed within the 8 yard mark. These things do not happen where the setters are on the ball.

LOL. Have shot courses in severe wind and rain that have made plants leaves etc fall over does not mean the setters were not world class just means the environment changed. To anal some people. To worry about blades of grass, encountered it to many times in FT over the years and the HFT not much different go out and shoot, treat it as what it is shooting and only when you are shooting in the world champs be it FT or HFT can you have the hang ups and complain if you was robbed of the world title.
I still don't think you can call any course a world class course just for putting one out to the present rules, as for the reasons in my first post.

[milek]

LOL. Have shot courses in severe wind and rain that have made plants leaves etc fall over does not mean the setters were not world class just means the environment changed. To anal some people. To worry about blades of grass, encountered it to many times in FT over the years and the HFT not much different go out and shoot, treat it as what it is shooting and only when you are shooting in the world champs be it FT or HFT can you have the hang ups and complain if you was robbed of the world title.
I still don't think you can call any course a world class course just for putting one out to the present rules, as for the reasons in my first post.

You need to go out on the circuit Marc and see the difference between a course in regulation and one that isn't. No point in competing at any level if lazy course setting is going to affect your score. Where did you see the term "world class"?

[thumbhole]

Ive seen them Mick both HFT and FT. Still I refer to my first post and reasons, If its a course that held the world championship it can in my eyes be a world class course. Everything else is setters providing a course it may be good but not a world class course. example. The Welsh boys provided a truly world class course, Venue and experience at the FT champs. A World Class experience that we as a country can be proud of to the rest of the world. Same as the HFT one at Kelmarsh. Everything else is trying to ascend to those great heights therefore not world class.

[milek]

If the best in the world come along and find a testing course that is set within the recognised regulations then location hasn't anything to do with it. A blind man can set a course that no one can clear if they do not stick to the regulations.

[petethemap]

For me, a great course is 1 that makes you think about each shot, and can have range traps between peg and target. However a course that doesn't take into account all shooter's physical abilities, i.e. whether right or left handed, or whether you shoot with your rifle as tight to the ground as possible or up the peg, or espescially a physical handicap ruins it for me. courses shouldn't be torture devices.