Why don't Air Arms make break barrels?

[Thunderball50]

I really think AA are missing a trick. I'm thinking about picking up a 95K next month, I'd love to have the dilemma of choosing an Air Arms product as I did when buying my 97KT.

[look no hands]

Design, tooling and production costs, and too much competition in the market, would be my guess.

Could they be sure of getting their money back?

Risky in today's economic climate.

I really think AA are missing a trick. I'm thinking about picking up a 95K next month, I'd love to have the dilemma of choosing an Air Arms product as I did when buying my 97KT.

Unfortunately not enough people buy British made products and instantly think German stuff is better, you've already proved why because you bought a 97(when you could have chose British and got a TX or PS) and you're already set on buying a 95, if all shooters in the UK instantly bought AA instead of HW, then they would have the lions share of the market and no excuse not to make a break barrel, the other problem is HW have too many to choose from in their range to cater for the masses and if AA did bring out a break barrel it would be torn to pieces by the shooting fraternity as it wouldn't be perfect for them as they would have "expected more" from such a prestigious maker, the problem is AA now have to supply the rest of the world and not all countries have such low power restrictions as the UK, so it's difficult to have a happy medium for all and for them to produce a rifle just for the UK power limit is risky business but if they had HW's share of the market as well then they probably would.

Slightly off topic, someone else pointed out a few months ago that Custom stocks in Sheffield had hardly sold any stocks for the HW99 although all you 99 owners came on here whinging months before about the lack of nice stocks available and when they do start making one they have hardly any sales, would that be the same case with a break barrel from AA, would we actually buy one if they made one? would you sell your 95 to fund one? I think people know my answer to that question.

Pete

[oneseven]

If you would genuinely buy an AA break barrel then let them know via their customer service site. I did!

If you don't ask, you don't get. Here's hoping.

[look no hands]

If you would genuinely buy an AA break barrel then let them know via their customer service site. I did!

If you don't ask, you don't get. Here's hoping.

Did they reply with any good news?

Pete

[oneseven]

Did they reply with any good news?

Pete

No they didn't reply...

If they had enough R&D money to make that awful twin cylinder thing nobody bought, surely then can make us a break barrel TX?

[BAD DAZ]

All my guns are weihrauch, but that's only because I like break barrels, I personally think that Air Arms make a better gun, they have a nicer finish, nicer stock and they are better internally (this is just my opinion guys) so yes I would buy one

[Trumpetier]

I really have know idea why AA don't make a break barrel, plenty of people buy there TX. There is no reason to think, that a break barrel from them wouldn't be as big a success.

[Stormdancer]

Unfortunately not enough people buy British made products and instantly think German stuff is better, you've already proved why because you bought a 97(when you could have chose British and got a TX or PS) and you're already set on buying a 95, if all shooters in the UK instantly bought AA instead of HW, then they would have the lions share of the market and no excuse not to make a break barrel, the other problem is HW have too many to choose from in their range to cater for the masses and if AA did bring out a break barrel it would be torn to pieces by the shooting fraternity as it wouldn't be perfect for them as they would have "expected more" from such a prestigious maker, the problem is AA now have to supply the rest of the world and not all countries have such low power restrictions as the UK, so it's difficult to have a happy medium for all and for them to produce a rifle just for the UK power limit is risky business but if they had HW's share of the market as well then they probably would.

Slightly off topic, someone else pointed out a few months ago that Custom stocks in Sheffield had hardly sold any stocks for the HW99 although all you 99 owners came on here whinging months before about the lack of nice stocks available and when they do start making one they have hardly any sales, would that be the same case with a break barrel from AA, would we actually buy one if they made one? would you sell your 95 to fund one? I think people know my answer to that question.

Pete

What he said

[Clanchief]

Cause their first effort bombed out after a while the old stock got dusty so they stopped selling the lumps, there is one for sale at the mo, its stuck on the classified merry go round at too much moola for nostalgia pounds plus postage

I don't think that AA are up to it as their current Prosport limited batches have reports of issues,,,just saying

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Unfortunately not enough people buy British made products and instantly think German stuff is better, you've already proved why because you bought a 97(when you could have chose British and got a TX or PS) and you're already set on buying a 95, if all shooters in the UK instantly bought AA instead of HW, then they would have the lions share of the market and no excuse not to make a break barrel, the other problem is HW have too many to choose from in their range to cater for the masses and if AA did bring out a break barrel it would be torn to pieces by the shooting fraternity as it wouldn't be perfect for them as they would have "expected more" from such a prestigious maker, the problem is AA now have to supply the rest of the world and not all countries have such low power restrictions as the UK, so it's difficult to have a happy medium for all and for them to produce a rifle just for the UK power limit is risky business but if they had HW's share of the market as well then they probably would.

Slightly off topic, someone else pointed out a few months ago that Custom stocks in Sheffield had hardly sold any stocks for the HW99 although all you 99 owners came on here whinging months before about the lack of nice stocks available and when they do start making one they have hardly any sales, would that be the same case with a break barrel from AA, would we actually buy one if they made one? would you sell your 95 to fund one? I think people know my answer to that question.

Pete

I was interested, but Custom Stocks stick with the same few basic designs. I like the CS500, but it isn't suitable for a slim springer like the 99s. It's just too big and chunky.

I understand why they do this. Bringing out something entirely new is expensive, and who knows how well it will sell? Relatively few springer owners are prepared to pay 250 quid for a stock to go on a gun that doesn't cost much more - less in the case of the 99s.

If they had produced something different for the 99s I personally would have been tempted. But how many other punters would?

[Muskett]

Flooded market for break barrelled springers.
Any premium rifle would have to show premium accuracy and shooting ability which wouldn't be easy to achieve in a break barrel.
Bent barrels from use are a common issue with break barrelled rifles; which in plus 12 ft/lbs guns is even more of an issue especially if "left to fly".
Break barrel rifles tend to be more sporty and lighter weight. Far less forgiving and difficult to shoot well than a heavy weight underlever. Gasram a slightly more forgiving power plant to use, but then someone else does those well already.

Add it all up a premium break barrel springer would be a heap of trouble.

AA already make two fantastic spring guns which do shoot straight and look fantastic. A type worth the premium as they ooze quality and will last so a pleasure to own.
Better to invest in the new technology which is PCP.

[TonyL]

Flooded market for break barrelled springers.
Any premium rifle would have to show premium accuracy and shooting ability which wouldn't be easy to achieve in a break barrel.
Bent barrels from use are a common issue with break barrelled rifles; which in plus 12 ft/lbs guns is even more of an issue especially if "left to fly".
Break barrel rifles tend to be more sporty and lighter weight. Far less forgiving and difficult to shoot well than a heavy weight underlever. Gasram a slightly more forgiving power plant to use, but then someone else does those well already.

Add it all up a premium break barrel springer would be a heap of trouble.

AA already make two fantastic spring guns which do shoot straight and look fantastic. A type worth the premium as they ooze quality and will last so a pleasure to own.
Better to invest in the new technology which is PCP.

Sorry, Muskett, would have to disagree.

There are many, many "full power" break barrels out there that have absolutely zero issues with bent barrels. And, especially with a more pricey, premium product that will attract users exhibiting safe gun handling skills - although this should apply to all guns, of course.

Many break barrel springers are easy to use accurately and are forgiving to shoot.

I really think there would be a very receptive market for a top-end, high quality all-British break barrel. And if they developed, say, three different length latch rods to suit our market, higher and lower power markets, it would attract global buyers.

[Rapidnick]

Sorry, Muskett, would have to disagree.

There are many, many "full power" break barrels out there that have absolutely zero issues with bent barrels. And, especially with a more pricey, premium product that will attract users exhibiting safe gun handling skills - although this should apply to all guns, of course.

Many break barrel springers are easy to use accurately and are forgiving to shoot.

I really think there would be a very receptive market for a top-end, high quality all-British break barrel. And if they developed, say, three different length latch rods to suit our market, higher and lower power markets, it would attract global buyers.

You might be right but I suspect most of us are quite happy with HW springers to the extent that they don't want an underlever. AA are interested in PROFIT not vanity and their experience with break barrel isn't good.
By the way you do realise that the barrels on Air arms rifles are German? Already one important component -possibly THE most important-of a 'British' rifle is a 'German' barrel.

[Clanchief]

You might be right but I suspect most of us are quite happy with HW springers to the extent that they don't want an underlever. AA are interested in PROFIT not vanity and their experience with break barrel isn't good.
By the way you do realise that the barrels on Air arms rifles are German? Already one important component -possibly THE most important-of a 'British' rifle is a 'German' barrel.

So it would resemble Triggers broom, a German Barrel, Turkish Walnut stock, and a British action with a Swedish spring maybe, Jap optics calling it made in Britain might be a tough one.

Would there be anything left for us to do to tinker and make it individual, think the closest that has come out over here is the Longbow.

Remember a horse designed by a committee is a Camel, what would you call a break barrel springer designed by this threads posters ?

[John doe]

You might be right but I suspect most of us are quite happy with HW springers to the extent that they don't want an underlever. AA are interested in PROFIT not vanity and their experience with break barrel isn't good.
By the way you do realise that the barrels on Air arms rifles are German? Already one important component -possibly THE most important-of a 'British' rifle is a 'German' barrel.

Interesting, what was the problem with there break barrel rifle when it did come to market? I bet they are quite thin on the ground? Any idea when they went out of production?

JD