The Muscle Power League - whats that then?

[paul404]

Many congratulations Ian in thrashing me :-(

However having invoked the Dark spirits via your Ouija board to assist you ( 7 shots from 5 =-O!! ) .Methinks you may have shot yourself in the foot.
The reason being that you now appear too scared to shoot alone in the poltergeist infested range ;-)
I would also be very careful entering RMTCs Church :O
Working on the premise if you can't beat them join em, I will be invoking the INDIAN Spirits to assist in the next round O:-)

WOB

[I. J.]

A couple more results squeezed out of the competitors.

R.R.
Steve Wright - 181 (FWB80)
John Ward - 178 FWB65 (not 179 as originally hoped. *)
Paul Wray - 177 (using an ASI Centre so 165 + 12) = 177
Ron Blair - 154 (using a FWB65)
Mike Barnard - 159 (FWB80)
Shaun Bell - 150 (Org10)

R.M.T.C.
Ian Jones - 178 (using a FWB65)
Bob Stiles - 171 (FWB80)
Phil Hewitt - 143 (Baikel MP53M 131 + 12 bonus)
Paul Nolan - 136 (Baikel MP53M 124 + 12 bonus)
Graham Burns - 173 (FAS 606)
Robin Carter - 170 (FAS604)
John Gould - 165 (FWB103)
Mike Swales - 172 (FWB65)

There is a few more RMTC scores due in. The delay is due to illness.


* http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Airs...tml?sort=6&o=0 Thats an '8' not a '9' as marked.

[mikec4]

Extract from ISSF rules of shooting re scoring;

6.14.11 Determining Shot Values – Paper Targets
6.14.11.1 All bullet holes are scored according to the highest value of any
target scoring zone or ring that is hit or touched by that bullet hole.
If any part of a higher value scoring ring is touched by a bullet
hole, the shot must be scored the higher value of the two scoring
zones. This is determined by whether the bullet hole or a plug
gauge inserted in the hole touches any part of the outside edge of
the scoring ring.

We can check it with a plug gauge if the overall scores are tight, but it looks like a 179 for the Stig ..

ATB
Mike.

[I. J.]

Lets see what 'The Man From DelMonte' has to say on Tues.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Airs...tml?sort=6&o=0

[mikec4]

Lets see what 'The Man From DelMonte' has to say on Tues.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Airs...tml?sort=6&o=0

And what position does he hold in ISSF then?? supplier of fruit salad??

[zooma]

Do I detect a little dispute brewing up here?

The bullet scoring rules are quite clear - tiz true - but common sense will always rule supreme in the MPL.

Before I get to see the card or cards in dispute I would like to offer this small crumb of previous experience to the debate and hope it will be accepted with the same good grace as it is offered .

If the demarcation line between any two scoring areas is touched or cut by the bullet then it scores up - common sense can also be employed here to ensure the area of dispute is indeed the round cut shape of the bullet hole and not any small spikes of a tear that can easily happen with a much lower speed pellet ( as opposed to an actual "bullet").

If the spike of a tear is the cause of the dispute and it only just touches the line then it should not score up.

If the round cut shape of the pellet hole touches the line then it will score up ( accepting that pellet holes are always a little ragged under close inspection).

If it is a tear spike then it should not score up - but the MPL is a friendly ( although often hotly disputed) competition and it may be best in a case like this to put it back to the actual shooter to consider.

The shooter concerned is often the least concerned and therefore can be the best judge. Only blatant optomistic scoring should need a third party to offer a judgement .

[I. J.]

If it is a tear spike then it should not score up - but the MPL is a friendly ( although often hotly disputed) competition and it may be best in a case like this to put it back to the actual shooter to consider.

The shooter concerned is often the least concerned and therefore can be the best judge. Only blatant optomistic scoring should need a third party to offer a judgement .

Fair comment. Im sure John, the shooter of the disputed score, will give a totally unbiased opinion of his score and one which I would agree with.

[mikec4]

If the demarcation line between any two scoring areas is touched or cut by the bullet then it scores up - common sense can also be employed here to ensure the area of dispute is indeed the round cut shape of the bullet hole and not any small spikes of a tear that can easily happen with a much lower speed pellet ( as opposed to an actual "bullet").

If the spike of a tear is the cause of the dispute and it only just touches the line then it should not score up.

If the round cut shape of the pellet hole touches the line then it will score up ( accepting that pellet holes are always a little ragged under close inspection).

If it is a tear spike then it should not score up

Hence the ISSF rules regarding use of a plug gauge - the Mark 1 ( or any subsequent versions ) eyeball is not mentioned ....

[I. J.]

The Mk 1 Eagle Eye 'guaranteed size .178" 4.52mm'

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Airs...tml?sort=6&o=0

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Airs...tml?sort=6&o=1

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Airs...tml?sort=6&o=0

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Airs...tml?sort=6&o=2

HTH

[zooma]

Thanks for showing the pellet hole that is the cause of the fuss.

It looks like the scoring gauge and the common sense rule of the MPL concur.

The score is an 8 - either by the Mk 1 eyeball (+ common sense) or the scoring device.

I hope everyone is in agreement so we can get back to the usual MPL abuse that we are so well known for

[I. J.]

I hope everyone is in agreement so we can get back to the usual MPL abuse that we are so well known for

Abuse? Ive no idea what you mean.
I shall be over to Rawtenstall on Tuesday night if the new sewer works there haven't flushed the place away.

ATB
Ian

[Fat stig]

If it's an 8 it's an 8 I'll get some bigger pellets for next month
I was more bothered about the 💩 6 😭

[I. J.]

Fair comment. Im sure John, the shooter of the disputed score, will give a totally unbiased opinion of his score and one which I would agree with.

If it's an 8 it's an 8 I'll get some bigger pellets for next month
I was more bothered about the 💩 6 😭

There speaks a true sportsman - who now seeks some bigger pellets.

[Fat stig]

Only 5 holes per card though Ian so at least the spook left me alone

[I. J.]

Only 5 holes per card though Ian so at least the spook left me alone

Mock Yea May ! But you were there when the Ghostly Gat struck.