Cast iron pistol I.D.

[edbear2]

"Cast iron pistol approx 10" O/a, barrel 6.5" . Described as bolt action similar to Franklin. Calibre approx. .17 . Has Brevet sgdg on one side and patent on the other."

Any ideas please, pics possibly to follow

(not mine so only have this info at the mo').

ATB, ED

[Josie & John]

Could be a Dare Devil Dinkum, Eddie. Lovely little pistols.

Regards,
John

[walnutfarmmick]

Ed has very kindly posted this on my behalf as Photobucket won't believe that I'm human ( and after Mum had me tested, too! ). It's something I've a chance of buying so a valuation wouldn't come amiss but it would really help to know exactly what it is in the first place.

Sincere thanks, Ed.
ATVB, Mick

[edbear2]

Hi Mick, get some pics to my email, and we will get more info I am sure

ATB, ED

[Herpquest]

This one?

http://www.icollector.com/Interestin...G-an_i15999486

[Bjacobs571]

I saw one like that at ProteK supplies about a year ago it was in an old wooden box with a cocking handle/pellet sizer and it sold almost immediately for about £240

[walnutfarmmick]

This one?

http://www.icollector.com/Interestin...G-an_i15999486

Yep. That's the one! But we're no wiser are we?

ATVB, Mick

[corbett]

John Griffiths book page76, Eisenwerk Gaggenau MF. Mine is painted black and not nickel, guess it is the same or a contemporary copy. I do not have the cocking tool and had one made by a friend.
Regards Pete

[edbear2]

Bit late, but photo here;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3122848...ream/lightbox/

As usual it seems the pistol experts on here have already sorted it in double quick time

ATB, Ed

[Herpquest]

John has already hit the nail on the head, it is a 'Dare Devil Dinkum', possibly produced in Belgium 1890 - 1910. I believe the word 'Brevet' is French for 'Patent'.
ATB
Eric

NB.

Listed under Eissenwerke Gaggenau.

FLUERSCHEIM
.- several calibers including .181 cal., smooth bore for darts, SP, mainspring in grip, barrel and grip of gray cast iron, outer parts nickel plated, deeper parts of raised floral patterns and checkering painted black, separate cocking device has two small hooks which grip protruding piston shaft knob during cocking, two prongs at other end of this tool serve as a spanner wrench for removing mainspring retainer ring, later version of the pistol has large T-shaped handle at the end of the piston shaft to allow cocking without a separate tool, fitted wooden cases. Mfg. circa 1881- early 1900s

[walnutfarmmick]

A little further info which may come in useful in the future - the letters PATENT sgdg stand for Patente sans guarante de government which translates to Patented but without any government guarantee. I suspected it would be patent applied for but apparently it's a step further along the way to respectability.

Thanks to all for their input. I love getting to the bottom of a mystery.

ATVB, Mick

[Epicyclic]

The elegant Martin Flurscheim MF pistol is a personal favorite. Design seen earlier from Havilland and Gunn . Eisenwerke Gaggenau German manufacture 1880- ca. 1900 and also made in Belgium. Cheekily stamped 'Brevet' to imply quality (sans guarantee= no patent). Later examples made/advertised to ca. 1920 prob Belgian origin are stamped 'Patent' and 'Webster's Dare Devil Dinkum' for sale in Britain. Plain slab-sides- no foliate casting as per home market taste. Anyone here seen or know of one with the crossed pistol EG stamping denoting German manufacture? Also, which factory/factories in Belgium produced these?