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    Webley Air Pistol Batch Numbers

    On the back of a very sensible question around batch numbers on another thread, I realised that I do not know of two that are alike, nor do I know of any collector who does. SO, is there a potential matched pair out there?

    Update 2016: several have now been identified but this shared information is best applied to the Premier model only.

    PLEASE ONLY INCLUDE DETAILS OF PREMIER AIR PISTOLS IF YOU ARE HAPPY TO SHARE THEM.
    Ideally state the Series Code Letter, Date stamp from under left grip and Batch Number

    THERE IS NO NEED TO INCLUDE DETAILS OF OTHER WEBLEY MODELS as unlike date coded Premiers, it is impossible to accurately glean sufficient information from post war Juniors, Seniors and Mark Is.

    The purpose of this thread is to record as many known post WW2 batch numbers for the Mk1, Senior and Junior air pistols. No need to post pics yet but if two are identified with the same number, then we'll look for further details. We just need to be mindful a pistol may have changed ownership over time and we need to be sure we are not recording the same pistol twice. It is also possible two pistols with the same apparent batch number may be identified, which were made years apart but share the same number. Again, these examples will warrant further study if and when they are encountered.

    I'll update the list below periodically as results come in:

    Mk1
    035 - AC99
    49 - Leonardj
    58 - Ormicron
    62 - Jackieboy
    72 - JM
    73 - Troubledshooter
    83 - Jackieboy
    107 - Daveh
    115 - Leonardj
    162 - Leonardj
    163 - Jackieboy
    188 - M.Meijer
    225 - Jonbaz
    262 - Hyscore
    250 - Lefrelon
    270 - Ormicron
    304 - Micky
    309 - Troubledshooter
    319 - Ormicron
    321 - Ormicron
    338 - Harry mac
    353 - Micky
    354 - JM sold 1993
    435 - Lefrelon
    436 - Micky
    607 - Abasmajor
    673 - AC99
    680 - CHJF177 - bought new 1963
    707 - Ashf9999 No 4
    770 - Ormicron
    784 - Ormicron
    847 - Jackieboy
    856 - JM
    859 - CHJF177
    869 - Jackieboy
    872 - Micky
    874 - Ormicron
    938 - Palmerclassic
    1053 - CHJF177
    1069 - Troubledshooter
    1093 - Andy30S&W Also has scratched in (date) 25/10/49
    1184 - JM sold 2004
    1265 - Hyscore
    1286 - Micky
    1295 - Ormicron
    1684 - Jackieboy
    1814 - Snodgrass
    2013 - AC99
    2290 - Troubledshooter


    Senior
    19 - Leonardj
    035 - private collection. Wartime issue with prewar trigger. Does not match below
    035 - JM. Early postwar with extended knurling

    054 - Lefrelon
    86 -Snodgrass
    87 - Troubledshooter
    122 - Fronteria (purchased 15/2/64)
    126 - Troubledshooter
    131 - Ashf9999
    132 - Micky
    149 - Troubledshooter
    153 - JM
    173 - JM sold 2000
    184 - Abasmajor
    209 - Troubledshooter
    212 - Jackieboy
    257 - Micky
    312 - Troubledshooter
    317 - AC99
    327 - Hyscore
    322 - Ashf9999
    355 - Ashf9999
    374 - Leonardj
    380 - Micky SA99
    404 - Micky
    421 - CHJF177
    436 - Micky
    442 - Jonbaz
    459 - Troubledshooter
    488 - Troubledshooter
    547 - Jonbaz
    557 - Hyscore
    617 - Troubledshooter
    625 - Leonardj
    632 - Leonardj
    637 - Ormicron
    651 - Daveh
    684 - M.Meijer
    730 - Garvin
    759 - JM sold 2003
    742 - Ormicron
    831 - Palmerclassic
    841 - Troubledshooter
    891 - CHJF177
    938 - Jackieboy
    940 - Fronteria
    961 - CHJF177
    967 - Jackieboy
    972 - Lefrelon
    1009 - Leonardj
    1043 - Micky
    1071 - Jackieboy
    1124 - CHJF177
    1198 - Ormicron
    1209 - Jackieboy
    1251 - Hyscore
    1261 - thenightstalker
    1322 - Troubledshooter
    1328 - JM
    1366 - JM
    1456 - Troubledshooter
    1528 - AC99
    1530 - Troubledshooter
    1601 - Bigseth Also marked SH454 on frame above trigger on LHS
    1620 - Leonardj
    1648 - Troubledshooter
    1856 - Ormicron
    1929 - Troubledshooter
    1933 - JM sold 1992
    1997 - Micky
    2039 - Ormicron
    2161 - Troubledshooter
    2237 - Jackieboy
    2246 - Carlos
    2301 - JM
    2381 - Troubledshooter
    3160 - Leonardj
    4486 -Snodgrass -early extended knurling


    Junior
    1 - Troubledshooter
    1 -Ali D Both early versions. Potential match

    10 - CHJF177
    35 - Leonardj
    43 - Troubledshooter
    46 - CHJF177
    74 - JM
    99 - Hyscore
    132 - dogsbody
    135 - CHJF177
    145 - Harry mac dated 09/72
    164 - Webley ken
    165 - Ormicron
    173 - AC99
    198 - Abasmajor
    203 - Troubledshooter
    217 - Micky
    237 - Jackieboy
    259 - Troubledshooter
    260 - Micky
    299 - Jackieboy
    314 - Ashf9999 extended grips
    331 - Daveh
    332 - JM
    356 - JM
    362 - CHJF177
    368 - JM sold 2003
    376 - Jonbaz
    423 - Webley ken Extended grips
    431 - Leonardj
    455 - Lefrelon
    493 - Ormicron
    503 - Jackieboy
    525 - Jackieboy
    536 - Ormicron
    581 - Troubledshooter
    588 - Ashf9999 Suncorite
    593 - Webley ken
    598 - Palmerclassic
    605 - Jonbaz
    624 - Troubledshooter
    649 - Micky
    653 - Hyscore
    680 - Abasmajor
    710 - Ormicron
    711 - Leonardj
    725 - Jonbaz
    732 - Ormicron
    762 - Troubledshooter
    773 - Hyscore
    780 - Webley ken
    796 - Hyscore
    807 - Micky
    819 - JM
    835 - Jackieboy
    860 - Ormicron
    871 - Bruno27
    901 - Ashf9999
    920 - CHJF177
    991 - Leonardj
    1150 - Troubledshooter
    1198 - Troubledshooter
    1261 - Micky
    1292 -Snodgrass
    1319 - JM
    1330 - Ormicron
    1342 - Troubledshooter
    1362 - Ormicron
    1428 - Leonardj
    1507 - dogsbody
    1521 - Abasmajor
    1523 - Troubledshooter
    1530 - thenightstalker
    1600 - Micky
    1736 - Troubledshooter
    1751 - Hyscore
    2208 - AC99
    2268 - Leonardj
    2558 - Lefrelon
    2888 - Jonbaz
    2677 - JM sold 1996
    3102 - Lefrelon
    3793 - JM
    4100 - thenightstalker
    5048 - Lefrelon

    Junior Mk2
    107 - Webley ken
    306 - Johnbaz
    346 - CHJF177
    426 - Leonardj
    473 - Ormicron
    504 - Lefrelon
    717 - Troubledshooter
    909 - Ashf9999

    Premier
    4 - Ormicron (E)
    16 - Hyscore100
    44 - Leonardj (E) 1/70
    49 - JM (A) 4/65
    56 - Ormicron (E)
    64 - Jackieboy
    70 - Leonardj (A) 3/65
    77 - Palmerclassic (B)
    78 - Jackieboy
    80 - Troubledshooter (E) 7/8
    87 - Micky (F)
    100 - Hyscore100
    108 - Ashf9999 (E)
    117 - Micky (D)
    121 - Garvin (D)
    141 - Troubledshooter
    143 - AC99
    152 - thenightstalker (E) 1/71
    156 - Leonardj (F) 1/70
    202 - Abasmajor (B)
    205 - Hyscore100
    212 - Jackieboy
    217 - CHJF177 (E) 5/75
    222 - JM (B) 5/65
    257 - Jonbaz
    275 - Leonardj (B) 2/66
    286 - JM (F) 11/72
    301 - Troubledshooter (E) 11/71
    329 - Leonardj (D) 3/67
    392 - Lefrelon (E) coated
    405 - Jonbaz
    410 - CHJF177 (F) 2/72
    421 - Jackieboy
    427 - Jackieboy
    473 - JM (E) 10/73
    477 - Troubledshooter (D) 2/68
    477 - Ormicron (E) 1/74
    6 years apart, so different batches
    522 - AC99
    535 - Ashf9999 (E) 6/74
    536 - CHJF177 (F) 5/72
    553 - Troubledshooter (E) 12/71
    614 - Micky
    623 - Ormicron (E)
    647 - JM (Lacquered) 12/74
    689 - Leonardj (C) 7/66
    690 - thenightstalker (B) 12/64
    806 - Troubledshooter (B)
    808 - JM Uncoded blued 5 pin from 1970/71
    808 - Troubledshooter N/L N/C

    816 - CHJF177 (E) 7/75
    837 - dogsbody (E) 7/74
    873 - Ashf9999 (E)
    877 -Snodgrass (B)
    881 - Abasmajor (A)
    913 - CHJF177 N/C 3/73
    974 - Troubledshooter (B) 9/5
    994 - Jackieboy
    1172 - Jackieboy
    1239 - Jackieboy
    1273 - Ormicron (E)
    1295 - Leonardj (B) 11/65
    1391 - Micky (C)
    1398 - Troubledshooter (E) 12/8
    1504 - Ashf9999 (D)
    1539 - Micky
    1720 - CHJF177 (D) 5/68
    1815 - JM (C) 7/66
    1888 - Troubledshooter (D) 7/7
    1944 - CHJF177 (B) 1/66
    2072 - JM (D) 7/67
    3315 - Troubledshooter (D) 12/6
    4219 - Troubledshooter (D) 1/8

    Premier MK2
    319 - Troubledshooter
    382 - Ormicron
    398 - Webman
    451 - Webman
    474 - Ormicron
    582 - Lefrelon
    614 - Micky
    669 - Leonardj
    680 - jm
    891 - Johnbaz
    928 - Leonardj
    960 - Webman
    962 - Ashf9999

    Would you care to add yours to the list? The more we record the more chance we have of identifying a matched pair or "batch" of Webleys.

    John
    Last edited by Josie & John; 16-01-2016 at 03:08 PM. Reason: update

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    Hi john remind me how to tell they are after WW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyscore100 View Post
    Hi john remind me how to tell they are after WW2.
    Mk1s, Seniors and Juniors will all have WEBLEY moulded at the top of each grip. Prewar Senior and Junior serial numbers are also prefixed with S and J respectively.

    John

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    Juniors

    99
    796
    653
    773
    1751

    Mk1
    262
    1265

    Seniors
    327
    557
    1251

    Cheers Kev

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    Hi all


    Junior

    376
    605
    725
    2888

    Junior mk2

    306

    Mk1

    225

    Senior

    442
    547

    Premier

    257
    405

    Premier mk2

    891



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    Thanks Kev and John. I have started a "Master" list at the top of this thread, which will be updated periodically as results come in. Some numbers are close but no matches yet.

    Any more?

    John

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    As I believe I've mentioned to you before, John, I have a Junior Air Pistol batch No:1, as does another BBS member. I have pictures of his as well as my own.
    This is the only batch number I know of with a twin.

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    Batch numbers

    Just a thought. I've always assumed that the number signified the particular gun made in a batch. For example, you could have a batch of say 3000 gun bodies, and as each one in the batch was assembled, it was given a consecutive number. Is this how other collectors see things? In this case, the number isn't actually a batch number, but the number of the gun made in a particular batch.
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    Here's a list of most of mine:

    Junior:

    1
    43
    203
    259
    581
    624
    762
    1150
    1198
    1342
    1523
    1736

    Junior Mk.II:

    717

    Mk.I:

    73
    309
    1069
    2290

    Senior:

    87
    126
    149
    209
    312
    459
    488
    617
    841
    1322
    1456
    1530
    1648
    1929
    2161
    2381

    Premier

    80 - 'E' - 7-8
    141 - N/L - N/C
    301 - 'E' - 11-71
    477 - 'D' - 2-8
    553 - 'E' - 12-71
    806 - 'B' - N/C
    808 - N/L - N/C
    974 - 'B' - 9-5
    1888 - 'D' - 7-7
    1398 - 'E' - 12-8
    3315 - 'D' - 12-6
    4219 - 'D' - 1-8

    Premier Mk.II

    319
    Last edited by Troubledshooter; 11-03-2014 at 01:38 AM. Reason: Premier Codes Added

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    Would you care to add yours to the list? The more we record the more chance we have of identifying a matched pair or "batch" of Webleys.

    John[/QUOTE]

    Hi. John
    I have a few more but I don't have the numbers at hand.

    Junior
    J5438

    Mk1
    61893

    MK11 Target
    33228

    Webley Serior
    122 (Purchase dat 15/02/1964)
    940

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    Great idea John.
    I have a few to add:

    Mark I:
    49
    115
    162

    Senior:
    19
    374
    625
    632
    1009
    1620
    3160

    Premier:
    44 (E) 1/0
    70 (A) 3/5
    156 (F) 1/0
    275 (B) 2/6
    329 (D) 3/7
    689 (C) 7/6
    1295 (B) 11/5

    Premier Mk II:
    669
    928

    Junior:
    35
    431
    711
    991
    1428
    2268

    Junior Mk II:
    426
    Last edited by Leonardj; 13-03-2014 at 05:44 PM. Reason: Premier date codes added

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    Hello John,

    My post-war Webley batch numbers are as follows:

    Mk1: 607

    Senior: (B4): 184

    Premier 'A' Series: 881

    Premier 'B' Series: 202

    Junior (B4): 198

    Junior (B4): 1521

    Junior: 680

    I also have a couple of Mk2 Juniors and another Mk1 kicking around somewhere which I will dig out when I can remember where they are buried !

    I will also make a note and advise any batch numbers I come across during my future, usually expensive travels to arms fairs, gun shops etc.

    Regards

    Brian

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    I also have Premiers

    16
    100
    205

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    Post war Webley batch numbers

    Here are mine John :-

    Juniors

    010
    46
    135
    362
    920

    Junior mk2

    346

    Mk1

    680
    859
    1053

    Seniors

    421
    961
    891
    1124

    Premiers

    217
    410
    536
    816
    913
    1720
    1944

    The Mk1 680 was purchased new by me in the summer of 1963 and does not have a 4 suffix to the address

    ATB Chris.

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    Barch Numbers

    Hi John,
    Herewith my contribution:-
    Junior -331
    Mk1 -107
    Senior -651
    Regards
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