'New ASG 715 6" revolvers...'

[Geezer]

Threads like this reinforce my belief that however nice many of these things made as airguns by airsoft manfacturers appear, they are not to be trusted. I just hear too many problems.

I guess the business model is you make them really cheap, sell in bulk, and factor in the warranty claims when they break.

Even the traditional Umarex replicas (5/686, CP88, 99, 225, 1911, 92...) have similar problems of questionable design and Zamak construction, although they are marketed as high-end, German quality, full metal etc products. In their slight defence, at least you or your friendly local gun doctor can get spare parts, unlike a lot of the others. My friendly local gun doctor has had to fix a few of mine.

My first CO2 multi-shot replicas ages ago were a Crosman 357 and a Daisy 693 (S&W 59 9mm pistol copy). They were very cheap, mostly plastic, did not have blowback, did not load or function in a realistic manner, and had moulded fake controls. And had horrid triggers, and really poor (Daisy) or average (Cros) sights. If you held them, you could not mistake them for the real deal. But they did not break.

I'm afraid that if a newbie asked me what to buy in this area, I'd tell him/her to buy (a) a really cheap non-blowback BB thing like the Crosman C11 or Umarex TDP, or (b) a Makarov. Or forget it and buy a "proper" traditional air pistol.

[mrto]

My own personal foray into these modern Asian made bb guns has been initiated by the Umarex Colt, which I am surprised to be able to say has impressed me quite a bit.The majority of other models I have looked at,though don't impress much at all and seem too much of toy like poor quality and performance.

This new ASG Dan Wesson 715 does seem to be problematic by what I have read,but time only will tell if there is a significant design or manufacturing flaw to the model.

[gingernut]

At least they aren't VAG coil packs!
You will know what I mean if you have a VAG car -or you soon will.

As a free tip replace them with Bosch - nothing else!

[blooregard]

Threads like this reinforce my belief that however nice many of these things made as airguns by airsoft manfacturers appear, they are not to be trusted. I just hear too many problems.

I guess the business model is you make them really cheap, sell in bulk, and factor in the warranty claims when they break.

Even the traditional Umarex replicas (5/686, CP88, 99, 225, 1911, 92...) have similar problems of questionable design and Zamak construction, although they are marketed as high-end, German quality, full metal etc products. In their slight defence, at least you or your friendly local gun doctor can get spare parts, unlike a lot of the others. My friendly local gun doctor has had to fix a few of mine.

My first CO2 multi-shot replicas ages ago were a Crosman 357 and a Daisy 693 (S&W 59 9mm pistol copy). They were very cheap, mostly plastic, did not have blowback, did not load or function in a realistic manner, and had moulded fake controls. And had horrid triggers, and really poor (Daisy) or average (Cros) sights. If you held them, you could not mistake them for the real deal. But they did not break.

I'm afraid that if a newbie asked me what to buy in this area, I'd tell him/her to buy (a) a really cheap non-blowback BB thing like the Crosman C11 or Umarex TDP, or (b) a Makarov. Or forget it and buy a "proper" traditional air pistol.

This thread only actually has one person who has seen a fault and not with their own gun, the only thread on the UBC has 3 faults mentioned, one of them is the same as in this thread! One of the posts links to a video which shows a pistol used with the incorrect shells in sub zero temperatures.

Again, I question the evidence of a bad product. I'm not denying there are faults but we have all taken back expensive purchases with a fault and not written them off as a bad product. The internet is a perfect media for types who think that personal opinion translates into fact once typed or spoken.

Anyway, some testing. As already mentioned the UK pistols come with shells similar to the Peacemaker that load from the rear. In the video shown above (incidentally shot in very cold conditions) the pistols was chronoed with Front loading old style DW shells. It is 4 degrees here right now, not warm at all but not -10. So, some tests :

RWS Match from the correct shells for this pistol give me an average of 357 FPS
RWS Match from the shells used in the video give me an average of 238 FPS
And just for fun, Gamo lead ball from an original DW BB Shell gives me 249 FPS

So I think we can put the power issue to bed, though it is worth pointing out that the DW pellet shells also add about 100FPS to the old DW pellet firing revolvers (A shame because I have loads of the old pellet shells and they are very nicely made). Worth pointing out as well that I have just shot the pistol a lot and it is great fun to shoot, feels very very solid in the hand and is decently accurate. My opinion, it feels a lot more solid than my Peacemaker does.

[gingernut]

And if you look at the pistol box the 400 + fps claimed is with 35 gram pellets which are pretty rare.
I have some H&N Green which are near that so will give them a go.
Trouble is I use an outdoor chrono at the range and it is v cold even in the South!

[Jehoolio]

And if you look at the pistol box the 400 + fps claimed is with 35 gram pellets which are pretty rare.
I have some H&N Green which are near that so will give them a go.
Trouble is I use an outdoor chrono at the range and it is v cold even in the South!

Put the CO2 cylinder in your trouser pocket for 1/2 hr before hand. Should push the first 4 or 5 shots up to summer levels!

[mrto]

Hopefully, this pistol will prove to be reliable for the majority and, though I personally am interested in revolvers of the American frontier this is quite an appealing looking pistol that I wouldn't mind having as a garage or indoor plinker.

More and more reviews of the 715 will start appearing on youtube over the next month or so I am sure.

As there appears to be a trend in the industry towards more of this type of pellet gun I would like to see higher fps with an eight pus grain weight pellet, even at the trade off of a dozen or so fewer shots......

[Benelli B76]

Off to our forest range in an hour to chrono a couple of 715's plus a plethora of other items, Firebird .25, Spitfire .22, 600,677, 2 x Rohm, plus, plus, plus....
Will post results on Dan Wesson. Hope the temperature picks up.

Baz

[gingernut]

My 715 chrono today.
Temp 2C
New ASG gas not warmed.

AA Diablo 290fps.
H&N ftt Green .36 gram between 364 and 379 fps.
This is AGS suggested weight.

All shots single action.
But then Baz suggested double action and with the Greens 419 fps!

By comparison my Umarex Colt Python did just 290fps tho it is only a 4 inch.

Again the 715 performed well on can bashing and I think it is a proper air pistol which will be even better when it's warmer!