New Webley Service

[woodmister]

http://sterlingarmaments.com/

there you go buddy

[Binners]

Holding this rifle at the show, I also had a short chat to the man responsible for the revival and offered a free table at Kempton in March, so more sad people like me could get a feel of it.

I would buy a three barrel version even if the power was set to compensate for the .25, but only if had proper 'Paul O'Donnell'' type replacements sights and blued metalwork...

Well done Sterling team and hope you take up my offer

[Phil B]

If they sold the rifle with just 2 barrels, say a set with .22 and .177, then another set with .25 and .22, it would get round the power issue by setting the power to the larger cal and allowing the smaller to be less.

They could then serial number each barrel to the gun. Anyone would then have to break 12 ft/lbs by changing to a bigger cal to get more power by changing the barrel.

If you’ve gone that far, then you deserve what’s coming, and it would be the equivalent of putting in an Ox spring in the old days. You’ll know what you’ve done wasn’t accidental.

I would buy one with .22/.177 combo set up like this. With open sights anyway.

Also Sterling would control the barrels availability by serial number, and therefore the power on rifles in circulation.

[Garvin]

I'm still not clear who would want one running at full power, without a scope - which would look a bit ridiculous, surely? To be used for what, hunting, FT?

For the same money, wouldn't almost everyone prefer an original 1930s Mk2 Service running at the sort of power they were designed to make, and with one of the beautiful peep sights that came with the original?

With a fixed barrel and no peep sight, it kind of kills the whole point of using the Webley as the source design, doesn't it?

Now the opposed gas ram recoilless rifle... that's genius.

[micky2]

I'm still not clear who would want one running at full power, without a scope - which would look a bit ridiculous, surely? To be used for what, hunting, FT?

For the same money, wouldn't almost everyone prefer an original 1930s Mk2 Service running at the sort of power they were designed to make, and with one of the beautiful peep sights that came with the original?

With a fixed barrel and no peep sight, it kind of kills the whole point of using the Webley as the source design, doesn't it?

Now the opposed gas ram recoilless rifle... that's genius.

Hi Danny, l have to agree with your comments on the service. but l think they could be on a winner with the gas ram.

[Phil B]

I’ve been in touch with Tony Belas at Sterling, with a link to here, and with his permission, here is the response from Tony.

“Thank you for the link which I have been reading with interest and points noted. I really appreciate your help and when I have a little more time and we have decided on which direction to go in I will post directly. The PCP Mk2 is fascinating and actually suggested at the planning phase not knowing that it had been done before. Got to say that the one in the picture is just genius .

We went to great pains to say that the rifles were prototypes shown as such so we could get customer feedback before we start production. This seems to have been lost on the posters who seem to think the guns shown were a done deal. The interchangeable barrel thing for example, it came across loud and clear at the show that that was a feature that was wanted, no problem, we will do that but it drives up cost, probably at least £130 per barrel assembly. Yes they can have it but are they prepared to pay up to £1300 for a fully tricked rifle? Or will we have boxes of unordered spare barrels, time will tell.

We will give it another week and then firm up some specifications and get on with making them! Please could you pass on my thanks to the BBS? Keep ‘em coming and be as critical as they like, its not an ego trip we are on it’s a business trip!

Atb

tony

T Belas”

They’re listening folks!! :-)

[Garvin]

So it's a PCP? Ah, that changes things a bit! But only a bit. It still doesn't deal with the absence of a peep sight like the original, or the question of who might actually use it, and what for?

I think we all realised they were prototypes and work in progress. We were careful to recognise the innovative thinking - and that was before it was clear we were talking PCP!

The extra cost of a removeable barrel drives this product even further from the values of originals, but knowing it's a PCP and thus recoilless does at least differentiate it from the original.

[Troubledshooter]

I too had an email from Tony along similar lines, in which he expressed an interest in my PCP Service. I sent photographs and the only schematic drawing I have, with the permission of John Walker, the creator of the PCP Service rifle.
I look forward to any possible future developments.

Having just seen Danny's post above, I've edited this post to say the current proposed Sterling Service rifle is NOT a PCP. It was only the fact that a couple of people mentioned my PCP Service at their stand that reignited Sterling's interest in the possibility.

[Binners]

I’ve been in touch with Tony Belas at Sterling, with a link to here, and with his permission, here is the response from Tony.

“Thank you for the link which I have been reading with interest and points noted. I really appreciate your help and when I have a little more time and we have decided on which direction to go in I will post directly. The PCP Mk2 is fascinating and actually suggested at the planning phase not knowing that it had been done before. Got to say that the one in the picture is just genius .

We went to great pains to say that the rifles were prototypes shown as such so we could get customer feedback before we start production. This seems to have been lost on the posters who seem to think the guns shown were a done deal. The interchangeable barrel thing for example, it came across loud and clear at the show that that was a feature that was wanted, no problem, we will do that but it drives up cost, probably at least £130 per barrel assembly. Yes they can have it but are they prepared to pay up to £1300 for a fully tricked rifle? Or will we have boxes of unordered spare barrels, time will tell.

We will give it another week and then firm up some specifications and get on with making them! Please could you pass on my thanks to the BBS? Keep ‘em coming and be as critical as they like, its not an ego trip we are on it’s a business trip!

Atb

tony

T Belas”

They’re listening folks!! :-)

Great to know they are listening on here, this is the home of serious collectors I wonder if we will see the latest proto-type at Kempton in March ?