Your perfect sporting breakbarrel?

[Zomboid]

For nostalgias sake ... BSA 635 Magnum.

[look no hands]

At this moment on this day 2020 AD.

My Mercury S.

Mercury S - It may upset the HW cult and purists, yes I have HW's too, but hell, the Mercury looks the business and has an alpha male trigger.

All the best to all

For nostalgias sake ... BSA 635 Magnum.

I love you guys

Pete

[rapidresponse1]

hw tuned 95k in 22

[TonyL]

I like so many aspects of many break barrels, making it hard to choose.

Keeping it simple (and pretty standard) I'd have to say the HW95, mildly fettled.

hw tuned 95k in 22

Yep, the more I think, the more I'm with the lovely 95, as it exhibits so many desirable attributes.

For hunting, standard stock. For more target work, maybe fit the 98 stock?

But then I do love manual barrel latches. I haven't studied the LGV's latch close up, but would guess it's pretty much superb. 25mm bore and synthetic bearings attract; the weight & size (with hunting in mind) and the trigger less so.

So......how about that favourite, old classic, the HW35? The later, synthetic sealed versions make power easier. Barrel lock up, barrel quality, sturdy construction, accuracy and trigger all tick the boxes. But, ideally, maybe a custom stock or adjustable comb for scope use.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this gracefully ageing and respected classic were to feature highly?

[lonewolf]

The FWB 127 Sport MK1 in .22 flavour

[evert]

So......how about that favourite, old classic, the HW35? The later, synthetic sealed versions make power easier. Barrel lock up, barrel quality, sturdy construction, accuracy and trigger all tick the boxes. But, ideally, maybe a custom stock or adjustable comb for scope use.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this gracefully ageing and respected classic were to feature highly?

Mick's HW35 LGV is interesting, as it solves the 30mm inefficiency issue.
But the 35's lockup isn't good enough.

[TonyL]

Mick's HW35 LGV is interesting, as it solves the 30mm inefficiency issue.
But the 35's lockup isn't good enough.

Mick's 25mm '35 is, most certainly, a beauty, evert. And I've been fortunate enough to have a few shots with it on more than one occasion. However, I seem to remember even Mick himself saying that, once he had lengthened the stroke on an older '35 (simply switching to the later piston is an even easier route for most) by about 5mm to 69-70mm, rifles such converted shoot that sweetly that he questions whether the 25mm conversion is worth the extra effort.

It would be lovely to compare '35s in different states of tune, like Mick's 25mm vs 70mm stroked one, on Jim Tyler's rig, giving a scientific and measurable comparison of recoil, surge, pellet exit timings and recoil and surge acceleration. In the meantime, just shooting and comparing, especially from different positions to gauge hold sensitivity, with a cross-section of knowledgeable and proficient springer shooters, is as close as most may get.

Personally, I'm more than happy with the '35's manual breech latch. Quiet and refined in operation. Yes, it may have its shortcomings, but it certainly provides a solid lock up if there are no issues. Guessing the LGV one may well be superior, though. And the one on the Slavia 634 is good, too.

Be great to see you at a Bash one day if you could possibly make it. Next year, maybe?

[harvey_s]

Original 65 with 12ft/lb and barrel shroud removed.

[evert]

Be great to see you at a Bash one day if you could possibly make it. Next year, maybe?

Thats been a dream since the first Bash... The missus has some libraries she wants to visit in the UK, so it might be possible to persuade her to take a trip..

[look no hands]

Oh and the same for me, a Mercury S action with a 10 inch barrel, in a Challenger stock.

Oh hang on, I already have one of those, aren't I lucky

Pete

[TonyL]

As if by luck, Tom Gaylord, on his pyramydairblog, has today started a series on designing a break barrel springer from scratch.

Lots of topics and potential design features mentioned, including narrow bore / long stroke, barrel, breech security and trigger etc. Just the sorts of things we often talk about on here.

Be interesting to keep an eye on it and see how it progresses.

Can anyone do a link to it, please, as I'm hopeless at stuff like that?

Some of his thinking may not quite align with some of our esteemed home tuners, though.

Hmmm.....if we HAD to re-engineer a rifle, the adaptable, previously mentioned HW95 would still make a fantastic base platform and we've had reduced bore ones already. So nothing new in the following, but would be an easy conversion and cover many of Mr Gaylord's design wants - 23mm bore, buttoned piston and custom fitted guides on design specific spring. Rekord trigger still outstanding to this day, barrel quality and breech lock up no issues either.

[cooper_dan]

As if by luck, Tom Gaylord, on his pyramydairblog, has today started a series on designing a break barrel springer from scratch.

Lots of topics and potential design features mentioned, including narrow bore / long stroke, barrel, breech security and trigger etc. Just the sorts of things we often talk about on here.

Be interesting to keep an eye on it and see how it progresses.

Can anyone do a link to it, please, as I'm hopeless at stuff like that?

Some of his thinking may not quite align with some of our esteemed home tuners, though.

Hmmm.....if we HAD to re-engineer a rifle, the adaptable, previously mentioned HW95 would still make a fantastic base platform and we've had reduced bore ones already. So nothing new in the following, but would be an easy conversion and cover many of Mr Gaylord's design wants - 23mm bore, buttoned piston and custom fitted guides on design specific spring. Rekord trigger still outstanding to this day, barrel quality and breech lock up no issues either.

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.

I assume the rest of that blog post will just be continuing to praise Sig.

[evert]

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.

I assume the rest of that blog post will just be continuing to praise Sig.

Yes, Gaylord often sells a product.

[TonyL]

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.
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Can't disagree with any of that.

However, I think it will still be an interesting series to follow. Many of his ideas won't correlate exactly with the (in my opinion) superior UK thinking, even that of our "amateur shed tuners" -(amateur obviously in the literal sense, as in on a non-professional basis), but I'll certainly be interesting in seeing how far this goes.

And it ain't going to be a GTS.

[BTDT]

I stopped reading when he mentioned the record and air arms trigger, followed by 'we don't need a trigger that good in our ideal air rifle'. Followed by the Sig trigger which is more limiting in its adjustments, more complex in design, and requiring more components to make.

I assume the rest of that blog post will just be continuing to praise Sig.

I stopped reading years ago when he claimed the HW35 was so named because it has a 35mm piston stroke, Dan.

If you scroll down to 'Weihrauch model numbers', you can read it for yourself.