Explosives Certificate - Reclassification of blackpowder substitutes

[DesG]

It depends on the FEO.
Generally it is:-

Chain it up.
Don't chain it up (so you can throw it out of the window if there is a fire).
Put it in the loft
Don't put it in the loft.
Put it in a cupboard out of sight.
Don't put it in a cupboard.

Anti-tamper screws is a new one for the list.

I make them and sell them on the bay. When a different feo came to do my renewal a year back I showed him the 15 bp boxes ready for sale and he couldn't understand why I had used anti tamper screws. I told him that his colleague insisted on them and his response was "oh him!"

All very helpful!

I've sold well over a hundred of them Europe wide with no problems from any of the forces.

[ZAKDINGEL]

I have never loaded Black powder so at the moment no need for a ticket ==but what I cant understand is why put a explosive into a sealed container surly its far safer to be stored on a self in a cool place out of sight then if there was a fire "god forbid" it would burn up quickly rather than be contained --your just storing a bomb when its boxed

[bighit]

I have never loaded Black powder so at the moment no need for a ticket ==but what I cant understand is why put a explosive into a sealed container surly its far safer to be stored on a self in a cool place out of sight then if there was a fire "god forbid" it would burn up quickly rather than be contained --your just storing a bomb when its boxed

The longer it takes for the fire to get to it the more time you have to get away from it.

[HarrisK]

A little light bedtime reading from the HSE regarding powder storage, rules changed Jan 1st 2021, enjoy yourselves



https://www.hse.gov.uk/explosives/li...rage/index.htm

[BaskervilleDog]

A little light bedtime reading from the HSE regarding powder storage, rules changed Jan 1st 2021, enjoy yourselves



https://www.hse.gov.uk/explosives/li...rage/index.htm

Wow! who needs to count sheep now?

[Abasmajor]

I decided to include an application for an explosive certificate as part of my recent FAC renewal and consequently sourced a compliant wooden box for storage of 777 which I use quite a lot in my BP revolvers. The FEO visit went smoothly and the FEO couldn't have been more helpful while taking a look at my storage cupboard and box. The certificate was free of charge and will cover the purchase and storage of my powders without too much additional effort.
Maybe all police forces are not so sympathetic or helpful, but my relations with Sussex Police have always been friendly and efficient.

Brian

[severnsider]

I decided to include an application for an explosive certificate as part of my recent FAC renewal and consequently sourced a compliant wooden box for storage of 777 which I use quite a lot in my BP revolvers. The FEO visit went smoothly and the FEO couldn't have been more helpful while taking a look at my storage cupboard and box. The certificate was free of charge and will cover the purchase and storage of my powders without too much additional effort.
Maybe all police forces are not so sympathetic or helpful, but my relations with Sussex Police have always been friendly and efficient.

Brian

Hmmmmm.. two months so far for me (well, a year and two months actually due to "Covid issues") and still no nearer to knowing when I might receive notification of an inspection, as I've been advised that just six of the 150 applications received since 1st August have been processed. If there is an issue with 777 being classified as an explosive then our Constabulary doesn't seem too worried that it's not being stored accordingly. Meanwhile DesG's box sits in lonely isolation just pining for the day when it will have its lid lifted and a couple of bottles of Swiss dropped into its welcoming interior.

[LiamPullman]

I saw that this thread is a couple of years old, but I'll still share my thoughts. It's always important to stay up-to-date on any changes in regulations and requirements when it comes to explosives and firearms. Thanks for sharing this info about blackpowder substitutes and the new classification.It's good to know that some sellers are taking the necessary precautions. Speaking of substitutes, have you ever used titegroup powder before? It's a popular choice among reloaders and can work well for certain types of rounds. Thanks for sharing this info, and happy shooting!

[enfield2band]

I have never loaded Black powder so at the moment no need for a ticket ==but what I cant understand is why put a explosive into a sealed container surly its far safer to be stored on a self in a cool place out of sight then if there was a fire "god forbid" it would burn up quickly rather than be contained --your just storing a bomb when its boxed

Blackpowder is an explosive. it will explode if in a fire.

Smokeless powder is not. It burns fiercely if in a fire.

Storing blackpowder in a box is so the occupants have time to vacate the premises before it explodes if there is a fire.

When the BP box was first introduced, like you, I thought it would be a potential bomb. I wrote to the HSE, Explosives, to express my concern. They explained the reason to me and then it made sense. If I recall correctly in their tests it took approximately 18 minutes for the fire to ignite the blackpowder. (Ample time to vacate the premises). The time, obviously, is dependent on the fierceness of the fire in relation to the location of the BP.

[DesG]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr991.pdf

This is the HSE blackpowder storage test results. The video of it is very good.

[loiner1965]

what will happen to all who have 777 at home without a bp licence ?
looks like those who dont shoot have made the laws to those that do lol.......another cock up

[enfield2band]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr991.pdf

This is the HSE blackpowder storage test results. The video of it is very good.

Thanks for the pdf it is interesting.
When I wrote to them it was when the storage of blackpowder was proposed. In their reply they briefly outlined the test and the reason for it. It seems they have done more research into it and more information is now available.
It does surprise me that they did not use the plastic canisters BP comes in. The substitutes they used might be a different grade of plastic that is more heat resistant and may be thicker walled and not give a completely accurate result.