Explosives Certificate - Reclassification of blackpowder substitutes

[davederrick]

I've been reliably informed that BP substitutes now have to go on your explosives certificate. Triple 7 and Pirodex are now being classed as UN0499 rather than UN0161. I know someone has been refused to be sold any until he had his ticket updated.

[DesG]

One of our less pleasant feo’s told me a while back that they are talking about ALL shooters powder having to go on ticket and needing proper storage boxes.

[davederrick]

Modern Nitro is safe (for now).

[Born Again]

I don't recall ever reading about an explosion caused by reloading supplies. Gas explosions, on the other hand, have been in the news recently.

[enfield2band]

One of our less pleasant feo’s told me a while back that they are talking about ALL shooters powder having to go on ticket and needing proper storage boxes.

I don't know how they will put them (smokeless) on the explosive license. I think they would have to create a new category and a new license.
There has been talk of smokeless being stored like blackpowder but it is pointless, it is not an explosive and only burns fiercely when unconfined.
The original reason for the storage of blackpowder was not for security reasons, it was to give the occupants time to vacate the premises to avoid being caught in the blast if there was a fire. Once the fire reaches the BP and one canister explodes it will destroy the storage box and cause a chain reaction. By which time there should be no one left in the building.

[DesG]

I don't know how they will put them (smokeless) on the explosive license. I think they would have to create a new category and a new license.
There has been talk of smokeless being stored like blackpowder but it is pointless, it is not an explosive and only burns fiercely when unconfined.
The original reason for the storage of blackpowder was not for security reasons, it was to give the occupants time to vacate the premises to avoid being caught in the blast if there was a fire. Once the fire reaches the BP and one canister explodes it will destroy the storage box and cause a chain reaction. By which time there should be no one left in the building.

In the eighties bp had to be stored in a wooden lined metal box. I used an old ammo box lined with thin ply. Someone then twigged that’s a metal box full of gunpowder was not a good idea. The same feo who was mouthing off about nc powder also insists that my bp boxes have anti tamper screws to prevent anyone from nicking the powder. I pointed out that a, Ive never seen a fire use a screwdriver and b, it’s a wooden box-a hammer will open it! But, no anti tamper screws then no licence. It’s pointless trying to argue with someone like that.

[loiner1965]

was told yesterday at colms funeral that batches of 777 that arrived in the uk had been stamped with the wrong stamp hence the confusion

[davederrick]

was told yesterday at colms funeral that batches of 777 that arrived in the uk had been stamped with the wrong stamp hence the confusion

Hogden website says Pyrodex is UN0499 on the product safety page.

[Peter Dunkley]

In the eighties bp had to be stored in a wooden lined metal box. I used an old ammo box lined with thin ply. Someone then twigged that’s a metal box full of gunpowder was not a good idea. The same feo who was mouthing off about nc powder also insists that my bp boxes have anti tamper screws to prevent anyone from nicking the powder. I pointed out that a, Ive never seen a fire use a screwdriver and b, it’s a wooden box-a hammer will open it! But, no anti tamper screws then no licence. It’s pointless trying to argue with someone like that.

Just cant see this. If someone wants to steal your powder just have it away with the box!!! If the box is chained to a bench as my FEO insisted on then a small pair of bolt cutters. I suspect someone has got it round his neck. The spec for the boxes which are sold says nothing about the screws.

[enfield2band]

Just cant see this. If someone wants to steal your powder just have it away with the box!!! If the box is chained to a bench as my FEO insisted on then a small pair of bolt cutters. I suspect someone has got it round his neck. The spec for the boxes which are sold says nothing about the screws.

It depends on the FEO.
Generally it is:-

Chain it up.
Don't chain it up (so you can throw it out of the window if there is a fire).
Put it in the loft
Don't put it in the loft.
Put it in a cupboard out of sight.
Don't put it in a cupboard.

Anti-tamper screws is a new one for the list.

[severnsider]

I've been reliably informed that BP substitutes now have to go on your explosives certificate. Triple 7 and Pirodex are now being classed as UN0499 rather than UN0161. I know someone has been refused to be sold any until he had his ticket updated.

Good afternoon All.

Has anybody heard anything more about this? I'm curious simply because this is at odds with a recent comment received from my local licensing department.... as far as I'm aware one may still purchase 777 over the counter in this part of the world with no Explosive Certificate.

[loiner1965]

Good afternoon All.

Has anybody heard anything more about this? I'm curious simply because this is at odds with a recent comment received from my local licensing department.... as far as I'm aware one may still purchase 777 over the counter in this part of the world with no Explosive Certificate.

not where i live......ive got the new legislation on my ticket now as i wouldnt have been able to purchase 777.
i think its a farce but hey ho

[Abasmajor]

You certainly need to have an appropriately annotated Explosive Certificate to acquire 777 in Sussex although still not needed for Pyrodex.
Interestingly, many local dealers are not bothering to stock 777 as the expected demand is even lower than it was before the amended legislation. So, even with an Explosive Certificate, 777 may be increasingly difficult to source in the future.

Brian

[coburn]

You certainly need to have an appropriately annotated Explosive Certificate to acquire 777 in Sussex although still not needed for Pyrodex.
Interestingly, many local dealers are not bothering to stock 777 as the expected demand is even lower than it was before the amended legislation. So, even with an Explosive Certificate, 777 may be increasingly difficult to source in the future.

Brian

Good point, one of the main reasons 777 was so popular was you could buy it without having the certificate.