Plastic?

[ggggr]

MILBRO COUGAR

[trajectory]

Plastic, well that's a big range of materials .

Definately don't like the soft feel type of plastic that degrades to a tacky surface. Don't like puny thin walled barrels in plastic sleeves, but some plastics have their uses, theres piston washers, o rings all manner of seals in PCP or CO2 designs. They seem to wear out after varying times though. Then theres the top hats made of delrin etc.anyone want to ditch theres? Mazak not too good. Someone said they weren't keen on castings, fair enough but theres al. castings in the FWB 65, that's not a bad pistol. Whether that's because or despite the castings who knows.
Brass was mentioned too, take that out & theres a few PCP fittings gone.

So what are we left with, steel, wood, leather. Ah well only one thing to do then, build pre war BSA's. That'll do

[eyebull]

Plastic, well that's a big range of materials .

Definately don't like the soft feel type of plastic that degrades to a tacky surface. Don't like puny thin walled barrels in plastic sleeves, but some plastics have their uses, theres piston washers, o rings all manner of seals in PCP or CO2 designs. They seem to wear out after varying times though. Then theres the top hats made of delrin etc.anyone want to ditch theres? Mazak not too good. Someone said they weren't keen on castings, fair enough but theres al. castings in the FWB 65, that's not a bad pistol. Whether that's because or despite the castings who knows.
Brass was mentioned too, take that out & theres a few PCP fittings gone.

So what are we left with, steel, wood, leather. Ah well only one thing to do then, build pre war BSA's. That'll do

To take a modern example of Mazak use, the Umarex pellet revolvers e.g 1911, CP88, S+W586 etc. I don't so much dislike the bodies and frames being made out of cast alloy - it would be unrealistic to expect milled or even cast steel at anywhere near the same price point. However I strongly object to its use in load and friction bearing parts, such as the gas lever, indexing pawl and magazines, where its paradoxical softness and brittleness causes frequent and predictable failures.
A few steel parts in those Umarex guns could make them heirloom items, but as is they are only good as long as you have access to a supply of spare parts.

[Jerry Cornelius]

…frequent and predictable failures.

A few steel parts in those Umarex guns could make them heirloom items, but as is they are only good as long as you have access to a supply of spare parts.

🤔

I wonder why umarex are ok with their guns failing after a while and people having to buy new ones

[eyebull]

🤔

I wonder why umarex are ok with their guns failing after a while and people having to buy new ones

And those were the 'good' Umarex guns, they haven't improved much in the intervening 25 years!

[ogilkes]

To take a modern example of Mazak use, the Umarex pellet revolvers e.g 1911, CP88, S+W586 etc. I don't so much dislike the bodies and frames being made out of cast alloy - it would be unrealistic to expect milled or even cast steel at anywhere near the same price point. However I strongly object to its use in load and friction bearing parts, such as the gas lever, indexing pawl and magazines, where its paradoxical softness and brittleness causes frequent and predictable failures.
A few steel parts in those Umarex guns could make them heirloom items, but as is they are only good as long as you have access to a supply of spare parts.

I think you have answered your own question. Built-in obsolescence is good for sales.

[eyebull]

I think you have answered your own question. Built-in obsolescence is good for sales.

Perhaps with iphones, but I don't know if that applies to airguns.
I'm not sure that the first instinct someone has when an Umarex 1911 self destructs is to go out and buy another one tbh. On the contrary, my first instinct was to come online and tell people not to bother buying one