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    Keep your pants on guys!....

    @Born again.
    I hear you. No offense but i presume hunting in general is "bigger" around here than in Britain. Like 1000lbs moose for instance, bears, lynx, wolfes and what not. Coupled with like a zillion wild boars, fox, deer, rough deer and so on and so on and so on....
    Thing is, our law states that prey is divided into one of 4 classes. Class 1 is obviously "tough" and large game. Like moose, bear and so on. Class 2 is rough deer and the likes. Class three is where you´ll find beaver, mink and so on and in turn class 4 is all the little ones. Including rats.

    Thing is that class 4 states that the rifle used must be CAPABLE of a 150J minimum and you´re not allowed to hunt any class 4 prey down with anything less. Say WUT? You need 150J to shoot a mouse?!? Yes.

    Mark the words hunt down, cause keeping your dwelling free of rodents for instance is a different matter.. that´s one of a number of exceptions to the law that to this day states 22cal minimum and 180m/s.
    Not one yota about pill weight. Nothing. Just 22cal and 180m/s minimum.

    You know and i know that 20J suffice for this, and then some. However, like Born again here says putting them down with a 25cal Impact at 100J.. one hit. No movement no nothing and INDEED as the Impact is a rather accurate piece of kit.. you´re correct.
    A 25cal for instance H&N "Grizzly" of 31 grains or a 34 grain JSB "Knock out" (both hollwpoint slugs) will decapitate the damn rat when you pull a head shot. Literally. There´s to the letter no head left.
    Do it for the sport of it on occasion, because i can . From an ethics point of view, please don´t get me wrong here, putting them down with a dead silent Impact like that.. dispatch of them is sure fire. Rats, as you all know, are rather "soft" targets and TBH as you hit them basically anywhere with that 25cal slug travelling at 900fps and up.. they´re stone cold dead. On impact.
    No "nerves make the thing jump around", no nothing, it is to the letter dead in its tracks. End of story.

    When i HUNT (as in prey to put meat on the table and to fill the freezer) it´s a different matter all together. Wild boar for instance is a class 1 animal to us. Ie; use a 308Win or similar at a minimum.
    That said being VERY well aware that with a PCP gun as accurate as my Impact (other ones are too to be quite honest) and at 120J.. put that hollowpoint pill just behind the ear of that hog and what happens is instant tilt. Knock out. It just freezes up completely and falls over. Dead as a doornail, right there.

    That.. with a 25cal PCP. Deadly accurate and deadly silent. If you ask me, a win/win if ever.
    But. The law is the law and indeed it works different in different countries i guess
    For the sake of argument.. Got my shop on the absolute ledge of an industrial area. Closest neighbour is a smaller piece of forrest. This means, to the letter, that we´ve got wildlife around the shop you won´t believe. It´s the house and then like 500 square meters of lot. I´ve had moose, often so, at a distance of like 5 meters from the windows. We´ve had wolf tracks around the house (clear to see them massive paw prints in the snow). I´ve had a rough deer buck scare the living crap out of me as i put the key in the lock to open the shop up and that thing was at rest like 2 meters away from me in the high grass. Jumped straight up like a meter into the air before taking off like a bat out of hell!

    Wild boar in turn is a downright ISSUE and within that industrial area alone we´ve got 4 packs, where none of them are of less that 13 pigs. The destroy everything in their path, gardens close by annihilated. What´s more they´re rather aggressive and "turf minded" too. Ie; not something you walk over to pet, and just imagine that.. a pack of 13-35 pigs grunting away in the dark maybe 10 meters out as you walk for your car.


    PCP´s then.
    Take that Artemis P15 i´m working on die hard ATM. As i got it, adjusted to a meek 10J and barely that, i fired away all in all one clip.

    Like i said, you guys in Britain are EONS ahead of us up here when it comes to the use of PCP´s. No two ways about that. But.. again, it works a little different around here.
    Poaching is about non existent, apart from the occasional moose or two up north. PCP´s are "limited" to 10J but noone cares, they´re "just" air rifles and are thus sold sans any and all tampering devices.
    Ie; a brand new in the box PCP of any form of quality, just lift it out of the box and adjust the hammer spring. All needed..
    For those lacking a drill press or a lathe, "full on" transfer ports are sold over the counter everywhere you find air guns. Ditto for springs for springers or rams for gas ram guns.
    What this brings is that in essence ALL PCP guns around here are "tuned" to greater or lesser extent. A completely die hard stock one would be a one in a million kind of deal.

    So.
    Were i to move by the law here i would HAVE to bring the Anschutz 22LR out. Issue is that a silencer for that (in contrast to a moderator for a PCP gun) is under permit, still.
    It has been ruled that permits for silencers for rifles are to be let free.. just.. politics. But our Riksdag has ruled so a few yrs back. That brings that according to the law if i were to hunt the damn rats down i would have to do so with a 22LR rifle at a bare minimum. From a practical point of view though that would bring that i´d have "your" SAS boys at the front door of the shop in 3mins flat. A non muffled 22LR is sure loud enough.
    A silencer for a 308 Winchester though, no worries what so ever. For those that believe it´ll turn the thing quiet, think again. The silencer will remove a lot of the felt recoil and from a sound perspective basically keep you from going deaf. But that´s about it. Super sonic ammo for you..

    A PCP though, with a shroud and a moderator, as you are very well aware sounds of.. nothing. Thus i can dispatch of them rats to hearts content and noone cares.
    Am i allowed? Yes, as it´s within my own dwelling. That brings, could i move under the same rule at my friends house him not present? No, cause that would be me hunting them down = 150J minimum and out the Anschutz comes...
    Then? Is it alright to bring the PCP to a friends house with him PRESENT and go at it? Yep. As long as he´s there it doesn´t have to be him doing the shooting.

    Moronic?
    Might be, but rats and the likes pests are not really considered hunting per se and i guess due that the "rifle demands" have been set at a level that IS moronic.
    You know it, i know it. But.. as stated.

    That Artemis P15 in 22cal. All i did was turn the hammer spring adjuster and the thing spat out 25,4 grain JSB slugs @720fps. Ie; approx 40J. Just to get a "feel" for the thing i took it pesting (rats). Is there a difference in terminal performance on rats between a 40J gun and a 100J one? No doubt, yes.
    From what i´ve seen them slugs start to expand for real as you approach approx 850-900fps.
    That is however NOT the same as stating that it is needed! A rat will no doubt fall over dead from a regular el-cheapo pellet of X amount of grains from a 177 gun too. No argument there.
    What i´m saying is that to benefit the real virtues of them slugs it takes a bit of speed on the pill.. To go test on it so to say.


    But to toss and turn fellow shooters alike, from what i´ve seen on YT... what i´ve read up and so on you guys go at it with even 177 guns? That and a very popular pill is the Hades and the Barracuda?
    I´ve tried, on occasion, using regular pellets like the 33,95 grain JSB heavy monsters and then leaving at like 850 or so. IME they basically just pass through and leave like a stamped hole? No expansion what so ever, or.. very little at least.

    I´m kind of curious of that there you Brits pull off and have understood that you use these 12lbs rifles on rabbits, foxes and so forth as well? Where´s the limit at in Britain? Thinking larger prey.



    As for the Impact i´ve been using an older ATN Aries for a while. Distances are limited after all but.. as late as tonight i picked a used Pard 008LRF up and installed it.
    Big difference. Fact is all of the PCP´s sport some sort of night sight by now. From el-cheapo Asian ripp off deals with a screen to a Yukon to an ATN to a Pard.
    All of them "work" from that regard i guess and in turn all of them have dedicated high power scopes to boot. But IR sure do make for a difference when talking rats..

    On that note..



    Can for the Impact. Have seen like 10 iterations by now and as is, it´s an "old" Mk1 Impact in 25cal as stated, i´m happy with it. It´s the one that sees the LEAST attention for the time being, i just pick it up and shoot it. Sorts.
    The others are all in some state of "development" though. This Artemis PR-900 in turn, to be all candid never had i believed. Really.
    Which is what inspired me to pick a P15 up and do that one, which i´m head over heels into right now. Thought i´d put a post up on that one too as it progress, but will do so sans the "power mods" i guess. LOL.
    Pity as it is a somewhat.. "different" rifle to fool around with as you aim to push the envelope a bit. As for the PR-900 here it since a few days sport a completely home brew valve and what not too.
    First trials have shown great promise, will report back on it.

    Anyways.
    Britain and prey. What gives with these "limited" guns?
    Last edited by Racing; 20-01-2022 at 11:31 PM.

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