Who’s got a 177 that shoots RWS pellets great - ?

[Herx77]

Who’s got a 177that shoots RWS really well ?

My Chinese barrel Diana and my CP2 both do

Ironically I think I got them hoping so as had plenty of RWS pellets

Now I think I’d find something that shoots RWS well and stock up while the prices are not as potty as other brands

So: What chucks a tight RWS - ?

RWS used to be the pellet to go to, before they altered the die and they became just another pellet.
They had altered the head size (enlarged it) and (reduced the tail dia). Groups went ape and everyone looked for a different pellet, sales dropped over night. Never shot one since. Changed to AA Diabolo Field.
HERX77 .

[PCPShooter]

RWS used to be the pellet to go to, before they altered the die and they became just another pellet.
They had altered the head size (enlarged it) and (reduced the tail dia). Groups went ape and everyone looked for a different pellet, sales dropped over night. Never shot one since. Changed to AA Diabolo Field.
HERX77 .

You haven’t got a rifle that shoots RWS great then 😂🤣
Thanks for your contribution !

[Muskett]

I'm a 80's springer fan so in .177 my reach for pellet is RWS Superdomes. FWB Sports, Original 45, BSA, Webley, Theoben and HW, all shoot very well with them. Thats .177.

I don't shoot .22's enough to really say what might be best, or very good. The few I have are good with Superdomes and Superfield.
Interestingly the pellet that my FWB Sport .22 shoots very well with are RWS Super Point. Why? I haven't a clue, nor a pellet that I'd choose first off either; just had a couple of tins somehow and they work really well.

[PCPShooter]

I'm a 80's springer fan so in .177 my reach for pellet is RWS Superdomes. FWB Sports, Original 45, BSA, Webley, Theoben and HW, all shoot very well with them. Thats .177.

I don't shoot .22's enough to really say what might be best, or very good. The few I have are good with Superdomes and Superfield.
Interestingly the pellet that my FWB Sport .22 shoots very well with are RWS Super Point. Why? I haven't a clue, nor a pellet that I'd choose first off either; just had a couple of tins somehow and they work really well.

Superpoints have a slightly thinner skirt that seals especially well in 22 in some barrels including older / slightly wider bores. Knowledgeable shops such as Protech Supplies will sometimes give chrono readings on s/h rifles with superpoints to show a rifle can ‘make good power’
The points do not impair accuracy at normal airgun ranges.
I use them in 177 for bell target in an HW30 as there is less risk of bounce back than from Hobbies or Super Hollow Point. In hunting the points do not penetrate further but lead to more ‘deviation’ or if you like a greater wound channel. This was first explained to me by a well known shooter and I ran with this when pigeon shooting - entirely correct. Superpoints are a great hunting pellet for some quarry (at close range where head shots are not the best plan) but not due to the advertised penetration.
I hope this helps, it’s entirely validated info - I encourage others to embrace rather than poo poo Superpoints , and not comment from prejudice / lack of extensive experiential use.

[bill57]

I hope this helps, it’s entirely validated info.

By whom?

[Herx77]

You haven’t got a rifle that shoots RWS great then ����
Thanks for your contribution !

the information was a comparison to the original Rws which were far superior, before they went sub standard. My remaining stock of RWS; don't expect good results so don't use them , But ok for pistol hft and plinking if you don`t expect to win.
I didn't say that I havn't got rifles that will shoot them, but the results were not at the level I expect to compete at. Suitable for fun in, FWB300s, HW55m, I had the impression you wanted to achieve results, so offered a bit of friendly free knowledgeable advice, which seems wasted.
HERX77 .

[Muskett]

Herx77, you didn't say what RWS pellet you used and then was changed. RWS manufactures a few pellets and might even brand a few from others???

I don't own an absolute accuracy machine, and only need "good enough". If I was practicing heaps, driving miles for a comp, and to be competitive came down to a couple of targets, then what pellet does matter. Pellet choice, pellet check for consistency, and how pellets are transported, becomes increasingly important.

It does help having a rifle that can show minute differences in pellet quality and consistency. And then the shooter has be up to it too. I'd say most full powered springers can't do minutiae, just very good. The old target springers could do ten metres where light weight thin skirted pellets never got the chance to wander off far.
Pellet quality of flight really shows at the extended ranges when velocity drops and no longer enough to keep them on the straight and narrow. Poor design will start to wander.

Start point for a good pellet is always what pellet the top competitors are using and in what barrels. However, plinking in the garden using expensive match grade ammo is a bit of a waste.

I thought the thread was just asking what RWS were working for anyone and with what?? Your input also has merit, for why not to use is interesting too.
They had better not mess with my .177 Superdomes.

[MrGreengrass]

RWS R10 Match .177 are extremely accurate on 25m bench out of my TX200 and HW99s

[HW777]

They had better not mess with my .177 Superdomes.

I wonder what metal RWS make their pellet dies out of ? Do they last a long time or are RWS very good at making new ones

[Muskett]

I wonder what metal RWS make their pellet dies out of ? Do they last a long time or are RWS very good at making new ones

I suspect they are a hardened steel. There is possibly one big scaled master that is sized down to cut multiple pellet dies.
Modern CNC and lasers have designs saved on computers, and the rest replicated as many times as you want by laser cutters. In truth pellets aren't that precise anyhow when compared to other tiny machine pieces such as found in watches. Modern pellets are darn consistent and one of the better parts considering all the other stuff that goes on in the shooting cycle. However the design matters in how a pellet goes through the air at differing velocities throughout its path. At too slow a velocity a pellet goes all unstable, wobbly. The better designs cope with different twits in the barrel and keep to the flight path better.

And of course the Lead alloy needs to compliment the design. Lead free will mess up older designs and need new ones. The biggy is a lighter, less dense, material may well require more velocity to seem to match Pb; could be a disaster.

I just use what works, and once found in no hurry to have to find another. Some people make a hobby out of searching for the perfect pellet to rifle match. Its all shooting so go for it....and tell us how it goes

[Antoni]

....The better designs cope with different twits in the barrel ....

...well, they would be a big problem for any pellet designer.

I use RWS Superdome and Hobby for my more serious shooting (which isn't very serious) and anything cheap for plinking (except old wasp). [Edit: that's all .177]

Currently .22 'Spitfires' in my Scorpion pistol. They are a nice fit and probably more accurate than me. £7.50 per 500 locally.

[Herx77]

I wonder what metal RWS make their pellet dies out of ? Do they last a long time or are RWS very good at making new ones

I imagine that it is a form of hardened tool steel; profiled by 'spark erosion' that gives precise dimensional control.
HERX77

[Muskett]

Thank you for that.
When I did last shoot competitively then we sure got through a staggering amount of ammunition. Thankfully I wasn't paying for it. There is nothing better than putting rounds down the range and hitting what you are trying for.

[Herx77]

Herx77, you didn't say what RWS pellet you used and then was changed. RWS manufactures a few pellets and might even brand a few from others???

I don't own an absolute accuracy machine, and only need "good enough". If I was practicing heaps, driving miles for a comp, and to be competitive came down to a couple of targets, then what pellet does matter. Pellet choice, pellet check for consistency, and how pellets are transported, becomes increasingly important.

It does help having a rifle that can show minute differences in pellet quality and consistency. And then the shooter has be up to it too. I'd say most full powered springers can't do minutiae, just very good. The old target springers could do ten metres where light weight thin skirted pellets never got the chance to wander off far.
Pellet quality of flight really shows at the extended ranges when velocity drops and no longer enough to keep them on the straight and narrow. Poor design will start to wander.
Start point for a good pellet is always what pellet the top competitors are using and in what barrels. However, plinking in the garden using expensive match grade ammo is a bit of a waste.
I thought the thread was just asking what RWS were working for anyone and with what?? Your input also has merit, for why not to use is interesting too.
They had better not mess with my .177 Superdomes.

Superdome.
I was actually a tester for RWS for a while and thought relevant insider info useful if you didn't know and was asking! Looks like I was wrong.

[PCPShooter]

My HW30 shoots Superpoints and SHP with blistering accuracy
On my bell target the points stay there, the SHP (like hobbies) sometimes come back !
That’s at 6.5 ftlb
I really rate Superpoints for various reasons 😀