Without setting people against people - 95/99S comparison

[T 20]

They're both shyte --- buy an Oldschool HW85 or an Oldschool HW50.

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Screw in back blocks rule --- tiles suck.

[Muskett]

I have a Steve Pope fully tuned HW95; and so smooth but still hold sensitive. It just doesn't like pressure from cheek weld, which is most annoying. Right technique it tac drives. Nice and light though.
Others have found them tricky to shoot well being so hold sensitive, which suggests it is a design quirk flaw.

So I can't advise buying a HW95.

I can't advise either on the HW99 having not owned one. There are loads of springers to have plinking good fun with. Some of the enjoyment is because they don't make it PCP easy.
The more well behaved springers generally are a whole lot heavier: HW80/77, Original 45, and Air Arms TX/ProSport. That weight can get in the way of long plinking standing sessions, unless you are built like a brick outhouse. Though the weight keeps it all steady for the first few shots.

The older BSAs are lovely to shoot with iron sights. Webley Omega aren't half bad, nor are FWB Sports, with a 4x40 or 3-9x40 scope. All are fun, and the triggers "entertaining"

[gsxrman]

Probably not much help.
95 not too good and 99 feels like a toy.
80k all the way, or 77k if HFT etc.

[TonyL]

Probably not much help.
95 not too good and 99 feels like a toy.
80k all the way, or 77k if HFT etc.

Obviously miles off the OP mark, but can't disagree with these recommendations.. And I'd have to add in the 35 and 30.

[benchstop]

If they built the modern day 50/99 like a scaled down 80, with a single piece under arm, and cocking shoe, along with screw in back block, it would be very nice indeed.

[TonyL]

If they built the modern day 50/99 like a scaled down 80, with a single piece under arm, and cocking shoe, along with screw in back block, it would be very nice indeed.

So, a bit like a short stroke 95 with screw-in block. Now that would be nirvana. Doubt it would ever happen, but we could live in hope.

If budget allowed (and sorry for deviating away from the 95 and 99), the ultimate hybrids from currently available guns would be sleeved down versions of the 35 and 80. Obviously done before with the Venom Lazaglides / V-Mach V-Glide and by our skilled home tuners. Lovely, lightweight internals married to the heavier weights and solid build giving a very benign cycle. Short stroke versions of the 80, even at 30mm bore, can also work sublimely. And the later 35 with the synthetic seal (or earlier version fitted with later piston and suitably tweaked) can also shoot very, very nicely.

[benchstop]

So, a bit like a short stroke 95 with screw-in block. Now that would be nirvana. Doubt it would ever happen, but we could live in hope.

If budget allowed (and sorry for deviating away from the 95 and 99), the ultimate hybrids from currently available guns would be sleeved down versions of the 35 and 80. Obviously done before with the Venom Lazaglides / V-Mach V-Glide and by our skilled home tuners. Lovely, lightweight internals married to the heavier weights and solid build giving a very benign cycle. Short stroke versions of the 80, even at 30mm bore, can also work sublimely. And the later 35 with the synthetic seal (or earlier version fitted with later piston and suitably tweaked) can also shoot very, very nicely.

Yes, that's the other way of looking at it!
As you say, it's not gonna happen...... More's the pity.

[TonyL]

They're both shyte --- buy an Oldschool HW85 or an Oldschool HW50.

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Screw in back blocks rule --- tiles suck.

No, no, no, Mick! Now you know how I really hate to have to disagree with you, but I can't agree on the 85. The old school 50 definitely yes. But not the 85, due to its cutaway piston courtesy of the scope ramp. Those tiles might not be the brightest of ideas, but I'd rather have them rather than having the rear of the piston potentially gnash away at the cylinder.

But, as said, the old school 50......yummy.

[T 20]

No, no, no, Mick! Now you know how I really hate to have to disagree with you, but I can't agree on the 85. The old school 50 definitely yes. But not the 85, due to its cutaway piston courtesy of the scope ramp. Those tiles might not be the brightest of ideas, but I'd rather have them rather than having the rear of the piston potentially gnash away at the cylinder.

But, as said, the old school 50......yummy.

Early 95s had the cutaway 85 piston Tone --- Weihrauch using up old stock ?

None of my 85s appear to have chewed the cylinders up but a bearing would sort it if it did become a problem.
Tiles belong in kitchens, bathrooms and massage parlours (a friend told me ) not holding back blocks in guns.



All the best Mick

[evert]

As stated previously in this thread, the 95 really is the better gun, if it wasnt for the too long stroke.
But regardless of the problematic cocking lever, the 99/50 really has a too short stroke.

If someone made and sold short stroke pistons for the 95, the problem would be solved.
But how long would we want the stroke to be? somewhere between 75 and 80 mm?

[Travis299]

As stated previously in this thread, the 95 really is the better gun, if it wasnt for the too long stroke.
But regardless of the problematic cocking lever, the 99/50 really has a too short stroke.

If someone made and sold short stroke pistons for the 95, the problem would be solved.
But how long would we want the stroke to be? somewhere between 75 and 80 mm?

FYI, HW95L

26 Bore Diameter Piston Seal Size (mm)

85 Piston Stroke (mm)

45.13 Piston Swept Volume (cc)

3x15 Transfer Port x Length (mm)

0.106 Transfer Port Volume (cc)

426:1 SCR

254 Piston Weight in Grams (g)

[TonyL]

As stated previously in this thread, the 95 really is the better gun, if it wasnt for the too long stroke.
But regardless of the problematic cocking lever, the 99/50 really has a too short stroke.

If someone made and sold short stroke pistons for the 95, the problem would be solved.
But how long would we want the stroke to be? somewhere between 75 and 80 mm?

For UK "legal limit power" the 99's stroke seems fine, evert, and many people are pleasantly surprised with its excellent manners. Although many would aim at no more than 10.5 to 10.7 with a .177. Having said that I have shot out of the box .177s doing over 11 very happily and sweetly. When fitting nose extensions to the 95, I think most people go in the region of 8 to 12mm.

[evert]

For UK "legal limit power" the 99's stroke seems fine, evert, and many people are pleasantly surprised with its excellent manners. Although many would aim at no more than 10.5 to 10.7 with a .177. Having said that I have shot out of the box .177s doing over 11 very happily and sweetly. When fitting nose extensions to the 95, I think most people go in the region of 8 to 12mm.

The 50/99 in .177" is still a bit too snappy for me, even at 10,5- I'd like a bit more stroke to soften it up.

Still looking for 26mm OD tube to make a 95 piston ;-)

[T 20]

The 50/99 in .177" is still a bit too snappy for me, even at 10,5- I'd like a bit more stroke to soften it up.

https://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread...51#post8135051

[TonyL]

Early 95s had the cutaway 85 piston Tone --- Weihrauch using up old stock ?

None of my 85s appear to have chewed the cylinders up but a bearing would sort it if it did become a problem.
Tiles belong in kitchens, bathrooms and massage parlours (a friend told me ) not holding back blocks in guns.

All the best Mick

Wow! I never knew that about the early 95s using the 85 piston, Mick.. Thank you.. And I appreciate checking it over, smoothing off any sharp edges if any were present and some decent moly lube would also work to provide peace of mind without going the full hog with a bearing. My early 95 doesn't have the cutaway piston.

Can't we call them "retaining blocks"?