price of new guns

[Rativity]

IIRC they where £450 or £550 new on realise.

Maybe the very first ones without QF. I remember them being £750 and not much has changed if anything action wise, just the stock shapes.

[derekm]

Interesting that the British manufactured guns have increased far more than the Europeans, despite the fact that the Pound has gone down the swannee over the period. One would expect the converse.

Just had a look in my 2008 AGW buyers guide to compare RRP on a few where the same model still exists,

model rrp 2008 - 2022
AA s410 = £532 - £859
AA tx200 hc = £325 - £699
Pro Sport = £407 - £839

BSA lightning tac £285 - £375
Scorpion = £399 - £689

HW 100kt = £822 - £1035
HW 95 = £285 - £440
HW 97k = £386 - £505
HW 98 = £411 - £540
HW 99 = £225 - £286

[rapidresponse1]

some nice second hand guns in my local gun shop yesterday

[T 20]

Interesting that the British manufactured guns have increased far more than the Europeans, despite the fact that the Pound has gone down the swannee over the period. One would expect the converse.

Looking at the list gives me absolutely no incentive to buy a British gun.




All the best Mick

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i was thinking the same mick

[angrybear]

Interesting that the British manufactured guns have increased far more than the Europeans, despite the fact that the Pound has gone down the swannee over the period. One would expect the converse.

Then you cannot understand how the global exchange rate works
If the pound is worth less, it takes more of them to buy the raw materials needed or pay for items like the stock, which I believe is made in Italy.

In other countries they may be cheaper if their currency is now worth more, but here it forces the price up.

[Barryg]

Diana prices have not jumped much when compared to about 10 years ago.

[derekm]

Then you cannot understand how the global exchange rate works
If the pound is worth less, it takes more of them to buy the raw materials needed or pay for items like the stock, which I believe is made in Italy.

In other countries they may be cheaper if their currency is now worth more, but here it forces the price up.

I understand alright. The stock and a bit of steel are more expensive to buy to make a British gun, but so are the foreign manufactured complete guns, lock, stock and barrel plus their manufacturer's costs and markup.

[Muskett]

It's not Brexit, as if anything that should bring prices down.

For Europe it is the level of borrowing and monetary easing for the banking crisis, austerity light, loss of competition from protectionism, and the fact taxation is at some of the highest ever been.
Central banks have been keeping interest rates artificially low for too long too.

C-19 policies putting economies on lockdown has a cost, borrowing on top of borrowing. Some groups like the Public Services lost nothing, other groups lost badly. It wasn't free.

Now we have Russia gas supplies that has Germany in a complete pickle, Taxation to force renewable energy adds to the energy grief and cost. Climate Change Alarmists have it wrong and add to the costs.

Nuclear war threats from Russian and a spend more Democrats in USA has made made the US$ stronger which is everything about lack of confidence. China is hitting its wall from its ageing population crisis too.

Really a perfect storm not helped by politicians and economists trying to manipulate market forces with protectionism that invariably makes things worse. Socialistic high taxation and monetary policies never work.

[EricP]

It's not Brexit, as if anything that should bring prices down.

How does replacing free trade with an import tariff and increasing the administrative cost by increasing the paperwork bring the prices down?
I would have thought that guns relying on manufactured components from Europe (Minnelli stocks and Walther barrels) would be have increased in price. Also not all Air Arms are made in the UK, some AA guns are made in Czechia.

[Muskett]

How does replacing free trade with an import tariff and increasing the administrative cost by increasing the paperwork bring the prices down?
I would have thought that guns relying on manufactured components from Europe (Minnelli stocks and Walther barrels) would be have increased in price. Also not all Air Arms are made in the UK, some AA guns are made in Czechia.

The EU is a free trade zone within, but not outside. Export to the EU means paying higher EU import taxes. Everything the EU does is expensive, protectionist taxes guarantee that, so it's really that anything about the EU makes items expensive.
Importing from the EU, China, or say USA, to the UK has the same paperwork, and set import tax. Goods from China, India, and USA, aren't as expensive as the EU are they? (US$ has gone nuts because of world wide loss of confidence, not because of US ability.)

If we manufactured here the costs would reflect our costs. Presently we have as high, so very high, taxes as the EU. But if we lowered taxes, as Liz Trust wanted, then our goods would be more competitive. If we improve productivity then our goods might well become really competitive so we would sell more and sell enough bring in more tax not less.
We just haven't taken advantage of the freedom in policy that leaving the EU gives us. Our expensive C-19 policies didn't help either.

[andrewM]

Alas, the truth is that British industry has been hollowed out to such a degree and over such a long period that we no longer make much these days and have to source many of our components and materials from abroad. This is why there exists such a large balance of payments deficit. This even extends to essential areas such as defence, where we are ludicrously dependent upon foreign suppliers. As for air rifles, I wonder if there is any company in the UK that manufactures rifled barrels these days or are they all imported from Germany? In the past, and especially during WW2, we could produce our own but I doubt this is any longer possible. The difficulty then arises that once the skills are lost, they are very difficult to restore.

Some of the costs would lessen, were Sterling to gain in strength but it is difficult to see the catalysts to bring this about, other than possible weakness in other currencies. That might well be the case for the Euro, for example, which is arguably an economic disaster waiting to happen. That said, I am hesitant to use an airgun site to bore everyone rigid with economic deliberations - economics being better described as an art rather than a science!

Rgds
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i agree with what you are saying

[angrybear]

I understand alright. The stock and a bit of steel are more expensive to buy to make a British gun, but so are the foreign manufactured complete guns, lock, stock and barrel plus their manufacturer's costs and markup.

I get what you're saying but it's not that simple because the % profit taken by the factory will be a slightly higher figure as will the % profit by everyone along the chain.

so if it did cost £200 to produce + 10% profit = £20, out the door at £220, the wholesaler takes his 10% (£22) & sells for £242 etc, etc

if the £ is worth less, so it now costs £250 to produce, that 10% profit is now £25 so out the door becomes £275, the wholesalers 10% now becomes £27.50 so he sells at £302.50, etc, etc.

If the foreign gun is made in a country with a better exchange rate their increase might only go up to £220 to produce, so out the door with 10% profit at £242, wholesale £266.20, etc etc

does that make sense to you.

[rapidresponse1]

we always seem to get shafted in this country