20 Calibre saves a lot of hassle discuss

[HW777]

I'm with gsxman on this discussion.

The .20 is a compromise. It isn't as flat shooting as a .177, nor has the wallop of the .22. It limits maximising advantages of prioritising either velocity or weight; just gets stuck in the middle somewhere.

This all revolves around pellet design and weight, how is a .20 11.4 grain pellet a compromise compared to a 8.4 grain .177 pellet and what is the lightest well made .22

The .177 is a tad to light, .22 is too loopy to shoot at range.

So for those in the know, .20 offers velocity pellet weight and range out in the field.

Now who can we find to twist the arm of H&N ? To offer their old range of .20 pellets.

For a 10 grain .20 pellet would really level the field against those that are to narrow minded to see the potential of .20 @ 12fpe

[gsxrman]

This all revolves around pellet design and weight, how is a .20 11.4 grain pellet a compromise compared to a 8.4 grain .177 pellet and what is the lightest well made .22

The .177 is a tad to light, .22 is too loopy to shoot at range.

So for those in the know, .20 offers velocity pellet weight and range out in the field.

Now who can we find to twist the arm of H&N ? To offer their old range of .20 pellets.

For a 10 grain .20 pellet would really level the field against those that are to narrow minded to see the potential of .20 @ 12fpe

Again, an 8.4 pellet is too light for what?
.177 heavies are 10-10.5 where the .20 is 11-14 or there abouts. So the .2 offers a little bit more mass but is loopier due to weight and slightly increased frontal size.
If someone made a 10 grain .2, it would still be slightly larger than .177 and probably longer, and in my experience and testing has proved that a shorter well made pellet is more stable in the wind than a longer one, therefore the .2 would still lose out on stability, trajectory and power retention to a 10 grain .177 premier, but no one is going to do this unless the lead ban forces the .177 out.
I aren't narrow minded, all my comments come from years of experience and masses of testing.
I don't believe in needing hitting power, I believe in accuracy. This alone is why at sub 12 .177 beats .2, .22, .25.

Sniper uses a .3 round and usually trained to aim centre mass, if he hits enemy in shoulder or stomach the round goes straight through and doesn't achieve instant kill. Same shot with a .5 round would destroy the shoulder but again not achieve instant kill. Yet both rounds would instant kill, if he hit his mark. Hit a man in the "ski mask" with a .22LR and its instant kill. I know someone will say but "so and so" lived with a bullet in his head for days etc., 99% of the time the "ski mask" shot is instant kill whether it be a man or airgun quarry.

So sub 12, hit the mark, using .177 makes this more achievable. If you cant and need "hitting power" then go 40ftlb and .25 or better still just use a Rim.

[brian747]

i have an easy solution to this debate, i shoot all calibres
and own or have owned all of them, i currently own.177, .22,
.20,.25,in springers and pcp,s,i like to shoot them all,
there is only one important thing--ACCURACY.!!!!!!!
atb brian

[Muskett]

This in heaps ^

Those defending the .20 have to narrow the goal posts so .20 seems to have the advantage.
Pin point accurate with any of the calibres and they all work fine.

[prosport.177]

Is it any wonder the country's in a mess.. Here we are having a debate on a cal choice and here we are going around in circles not getting anywhere on a small subject of cal choice..,
Those that like the cal defending it and giving opinions on its merit..
Those that can not see the point of .20 and would rather shoot .177 .22..
What is the point in these debates?

[HW777]

Is it any wonder the country's in a mess.. Here we are having a debate on a cal choice and here we are going around in circles not getting anywhere on a small subject of cal choice..,
Those that like the cal defending it and giving opinions on its merit..
Those that can not see the point of .20 and would rather shoot .177 .22..
What is the point in these debates?

You would have thought that those that shoot .20 could discuss the merits of the cal between .20 shooters.

I myself give up reading some replies, due to them having a lot to say that is not relevant to anything other than there own blinkered views, I mean how many ways can you say the same thing and not be seen as trolling a thread

[angrybear]

You would have thought that those that shoot .20 could discuss the merits of the cal between .20 shooters.

I myself give up reading some replies, due to them having a lot to say that is not relevant to anything other than there own blinkered views, I mean how many ways can you say the same thing and not be seen as trolling a thread

Surely the whole point of a BBS is to discuss different opinions, & call out the groundless 'old wives tails' ?
6 pages of blinkers, discussion & disagreement with a bit of banter & no real insults

This thread amongst .20 shooters would be very short & pretty pointless, because we agree on it's merits, & mostly wish H&N still made the pellet range they used to.

[Steyr]

.20 is such a superb calibre that pellet makers give you loads of options..... oh no..... they dont...

.20 is such a superb calibre that gun makers give you loads of options..... oh no..... they dont...

It never caught on. It never will. Its probably academic as we might have a total lead ammo ban anyway.

In .177 and .22 there is a huge range of makers, styles, grain weight, head size etc that can cover everything that the niche and unpopular .20 can do.

You can argue as much as you like but .20 is no force in the market place. Makers of pellets don't support it. Gun makers offer few options. Sub 12 shooters don't buy into it.

If you like it and want restricted options at almost every level then fine... .20 meets your limited options. In fact, the only advantage of .20 I can see is you have much less choice in finding the right pellet is potentially easier.

Its personal choice but lack of choice over very questionable benefits is not a personal choice I would choose or recommend to anyone.

As there is a shortage of almost all ammo types, selecting a cal that has a very limited application in its niche is not going to help anyone.

.20 holds no magic chalice for me that cannot be totally covered in .177 from ultra lite to uber heavy when it comes to sub 12 users.

If your FAC.... then .22 upwards make sense.

[gsxrman]

Is it any wonder the country's in a mess.. Here we are having a debate on a cal choice and here we are going around in circles not getting anywhere on a small subject of cal choice..,
Those that like the cal defending it and giving opinions on its merit..
Those that can not see the point of .20 and would rather shoot .177 .22..
What is the point in these debates?

What is the point of any debate?
To thrash out opinions and come to a conclusion or compromise.
Without debate, your opinion stands alone, unchallenged and like an untested theory.
During debate where there is fact and reason handed around, it is an opportunity to learn from others experience and wisdom (Mr AB respect).
If banter can be added all the better.

[PCPShooter]

About half usual number on guntrader - so some folk buy them, more so recently it seems -

Don’t come up s/h much

Maybe all the ones sold over the years are just decorative items ……..

Who remembers people chucking out records ?
They are now like £35 ? And didn’t more turntables get sold in Uk a couple of years ago than ever before ?

I doubt 20 cal is fading away, as others have pointed out if a lead ban comes in 177 ain’t gonna be a lot of use 😂

[Muskett]

I agree there is too much argument for argument sake.

With 12ft/lbs rifles the only thing that delivers, matters, is perfect shot placement. Be that hunting or competitions.
All the calibres require doing a drop chart.
The higher the velocity the flatter the shooting, and longer the Point Blank range.
Few people can equal a laser rangefinder for judging range.
Beyond 20m then rangefinding gets really tricky.
No calibre has the smack power to compensate for poor shot placement.

Getting all the calibres to shoot well is shooting time. Whats not to love? "Best" is making a perfect shot placement. Easiest at the longer ranges is the .177. All take real application to hit tiny every time.